[Mokka]

Originally Posted by arista

Will they Close?

They haven't even been put out by this... they have some kind of christian action group paying their legal fees and fines.... and now they have advertised themselves to the christian community and probably picked up loads of business

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

They haven't even been put out by this... they have some kind of christian action group paying their legal fees and fines.... and now they have advertised themselves to the christian community and probably picked up loads of business

Leave them to it I say, atleast this ruling has set a precedent now, if they want to keep paying legal bills and fines, that's their stupidity and loss

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Leave them to it I say, atleast this ruling has set a precedent now, if they want to keep paying legal bills and fines, that's their stupidity and loss

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

That's a great idea.

Really glad however that they have had the court ruling go against them and the publicity that goes with that too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

They haven't even been put out by this... they have some kind of christian action group paying their legal fees and fines.... and now they have advertised themselves to the christian community and probably picked up loads of business

Well then

The Angry Gay Activists
will start Stage 2

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

looks like god loves a good gay and not a prick who discriminates

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I'm not reading that essay because I already know it's going to contain nothing but (not so) sly digs and random capitalised words.

[Samuel.]

Slightly sad I won't be around for when religion completely dies out

[the truth]

LETS HOPE THE business people fight this bigotry. they've got every right to turn down business from events like this if its against their beliefs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

LETS HOPE THE business people fight this bigotry. they've got every right to turn down business from events like this if its against their beliefs.

If Asher's had been as cynical as Lee and been prepared to lie and be tactical, they could merely have said that they had refused the order because the message stipulated on the cake decoration was actually urging 'law abiding' citizens to support an illegal act - Gay Marriage.

Could any court actually have convicted with just such a defense? If so would it also be deemed legal to put up posters urging; "Support Pedophilia, Murder British Soldiers, Burn Down Police Stations - the list is fascinating.

It rarely pays to be straightforward and honest.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Asher's had been as cynical as Lee and been prepared to lie and be tactical, they could merely have said that they had refused the order because the message stipulated on the cake decoration was actually urging 'law abiding' citizens to support an illegal act - Gay Marriage.

Could any court actually have convicted with just such a defense? If so would it also be deemed legal to put up posters urging; "Support Pedophilia, Murder British Soldiers, Burn Down Police Stations - the list is fascinating.

It rarely pays to be straightforward and honest.

So supporting Gay Marriage is comparable to supporting Peadophillia and murder?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So supporting Gay Marriage is comparable to supporting Peadophillia and murder?

he didnt say that, what a disingenuous comment

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say that, what a disingenuous comment

It's just more of the same dishonest attack from this moderator The Truth, he shouldn't even be allowed on a Serious Debate Forum let alone be a Moderator.

My views might be too Right wing for most of the Left Wing active majority on here but I do not lie or deliberately continually misrepresent anyone else's view.

I do really try to be fair - and whilst I can become annoyed by some member's posts (as I know they too can be by mine) I NEVER allow personal dislike to creep into my posts because I genuinely DO NOT dislike anyone on here. I do not know anyone well enough for them to emotionally 'move' me enough to dislike them.

This Moderator's continued infantile personal attacks are becoming tedious though and makes me want to not post.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Asher's had been as cynical as Lee and been prepared to lie and be tactical, they could merely have said that they had refused the order because the message stipulated on the cake decoration was actually urging 'law abiding' citizens to support an illegal act - Gay Marriage.

Could any court actually have convicted with just such a defense? If so would it also be deemed legal to put up posters urging; "Support Pedophilia, Murder British Soldiers, Burn Down Police Stations - the list is fascinating.

It rarely pays to be straightforward and honest.

Gay marriage isn't illegal.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gay marriage isn't illegal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/patr...b_6463320.html

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

LETS HOPE THE business people fight this bigotry. they've got every right to turn down business from events like this if its against their beliefs.

I don't think people should have to comply to something just because it's the rules. Think of the apartheid - would you seriously still say "oh they should just use the water fountain designated for them.. it's the rules"?

[Liam-]

They'd make a lot more money if they just let the gays have cake.

They're not being asked to walk them down the aisle or help consummate the wedding, they're asking them to do their job, which they claim to be professionals at, letting your own personal bigotry get in the way of completing a job, is most unprofessional.

Give them their cake, take their money and keep your business open with a good name, is it really that difficult?

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Liam-;7789722]They'd make a lot more money if they just let the gays have cake.

They're not being asked to walk them down the aisle or help consummate the wedding, they're asking them to do their job, which they claim to be professionals at, letting your own personal bigotry get in the way of completing a job, is most unprofessional.

Give them their cake, take their money and keep your business open with a good name, is it really that difficult?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, it shouldn't be difficult at all should it.

Live and let live is a good motto to live by and if we all with respect to people of great faith, lived by the words of religious teachings,no one would be able to do very much of living,always being stifled.

I was born a Roman Catholic, we had Nuns telling us as young children, we should always sleep on our backs with our arms folded across our chest, in case we died through the night so we were ready to meet our Saviour.
I soon walked off from the doctrines of the church and saw the rules of them all and stances of them all as 'more of being about control' than true worship.

In the Christian gospels,to only the words and actions attributed to Jesus,he makes no condemnations, he never advocates judgement,he talks about coming together not dividing.
Most divisions have been created by Christian churches over the centuries,over those putting their personal views into things rather then the one teaching Christianity.

Catholics murdering protestants and vice versa over the centuries,(whatever happened to 'thou shalt not kill),I see Christians coming out of church in Winter at the christmas services and driving past people struggling to walk in snow,or icy paths.
It seems to me, that Christian values are only relevant if everyone conforms to what is stated as the norm by 'man managed' churches.
Whereas, the whole basis of christianity particularly is about loving, caring for and reaching out to all,putting ones own needs and prejudices aside.
Condemning not and judging not.

While I have held on to some elements of the faith I was born into, if I do have any times I enact any of it, it is from those words in the gospels only,not all the other additions put there by man.
Men like Paul, who it seems if he got up in a good mood, he preached love and brotherhood for all.
If he got up in a bad mood, he was full of spite and fury against any who crossed him.
Religion should not be like that.

Whatever my practice of faith may ever be, it should never be,if I am a Christian, that I push it into others lives that don't want it to be.
It also means I should not turn away and judge others for their lifestyles either.

I said a while ago, I have Jewish friends,a family, who have a business, their Sabbath day is a Saturday, they should do no work.
That business,since it is a business for the public to use, is open on Saturdays.
Their religious rules set aside.

That is what,in my opinion at any rate, should have happened with this cake shop incident.
Keep their faith intact as to their own opinions and living it out,in their private lives,while still providing the public service of the business to all who want it and not take a judgemental stance.

[AnnieK]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;7789913]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They'd make a lot more money if they just let the gays have cake.

They're not being asked to walk them down the aisle or help consummate the wedding, they're asking them to do their job, which they claim to be professionals at, letting your own personal bigotry get in the way of completing a job, is most unprofessional.

Give them their cake, take their money and keep your business open with a good name, is it really that difficult?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, it shouldn't be difficult at all should it.

Live and let live is a good motto to live by and if we all with respect to people of great faith, lived by the words of religious teachings,no one would be able to do very much of living,always being stifled.

I was born a Roman Catholic, we had Nuns telling us as young children, we should always sleep on our backs with our arms folded across our chest, in case we died through the night so we were ready to meet our Saviour.
I soon walked off from the doctrines of the church and saw the rules of them all and stances of them all as 'more of being about control' than true worship.

In the Christian gospels,to only the words and actions attributed to Jesus,he makes no condemnations, he never advocates judgement,he talks about coming together not dividing.
Most divisions have been created by Christian churches over the centuries,over those putting their personal views into things rather then the one teaching Christianity.

Catholics murdering protestants and vice versa over the centuries,(whatever happened to 'thou shalt not kill),I see Christians coming out of church in Winter at the christmas services and driving past people struggling to walk in snow,or icy paths.
It seems to me, that Christian values are only relevant if everyone conforms to what is stated as the norm by 'man managed' churches.
Whereas, the whole basis of christianity particularly is about loving, caring for and reaching out to all,putting ones own needs and prejudices aside.
Condemning not and judging not.

While I have held on to some elements of the faith I was born into, if I do have any times I enact any of it, it is from those words in the gospels only,not all the other additions put there by man.
Men like Paul, who it seems if he got up in a good mood, he preached love and brotherhood for all.
If he got up in a bad mood, he was full of spite and fury against any who crossed him.
Religion should not be like that.

Whatever my practice of faith may ever be, it should never be,if I am a Christian, that I push it into others lives that don't want it to be.
It also means I should not turn away and judge others for their lifestyles either.

I said a while ago, I have Jewish friends,a family, who have a business, their Sabbath day is a Saturday, they should do no work.
That business,since it is a business for the public to use, is open on Saturdays.
Their religious rules set aside.

That is what,in my opinion at any rate, should have happened with this cake shop incident.
Keep their faith intact as to their own opinions and living it out,in their private lives,while still providing the public service of the business to all who want it and not take a judgemental stance.

This is completely off topic Joey but I'm interested, do the Jewish family work themselves on Saturdays? I only ask because my mum worked for a Jewish company for many years and they opened on Saturday but none of the family worked...I would imagine your friends are possibly not orthodox as I have many Jewish friends who would never dream of working on a Saturday as they are very strict about their sabbath. They would close early on a Friday during the inter to also observed the sabbath.

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=AnnieK;7790006]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is completely off topic Joey but I'm interested, do the Jewish family work themselves on Saturdays? I only ask because my mum worked for a Jewish company for many years and they opened on Saturday but none of the family worked...I would imagine your friends are possibly not orthodox as I have many Jewish friends who would never dream of working on a Saturday as they are very strict about their sabbath. They would close early on a Friday during the inter to also observed the sabbath.

Yes, admittedly the parents don't but the other family members do so.
The only time none of them do so and then they bring in staff to do so,is around the passover and Yom Kippur periods.
Otherwise yes, they do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

being a business is NOT the same as being a citizen

rules are not applicable

you are awarded status by registering as a business and you must abide by a Different code

the baker misunderstood this and paid the price

its about education

[erinp5]

Coleen Nolan has sparked widespread controversy after clumsily comparing gay rights to supporting ISIS during a discussion on Loose Women.

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Notice who on the panel she pointed to as going in to ask for such a cake ,not Janet lol


Katie Hopkins @KTHopkins ·
Sorry to see @NolanColeen being slated in the press *kills herself laughing at chubsters downfall'. Gay rights are not the same as ISIS love

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gay cake converted entire tray of bread rolls to homosexuality




A GAY wedding cake has turned some bread rolls gay after being left beside them on a bakery counter.

Seeded bap Tom Booker was one of 18 identical bread rolls left to cool beside a homosexual cake made for a gay wedding.

Booker said: “The cake was asking us what sort of music we were into. I said classic rock, like Fleetwood Mac and Dire Straits, and it laughed then suggested should I check out Scissor Sisters and 80s hi-NRG disco.

“As the chat progressed it asked if I had ever been with a man bap. I said that was wrong but the cake said that’s just what the baker tells you to make you behave around customers.”

Baker Norman Steele said: “I came in to pick up the cake and all the bread rolls were having gay sex with each other.

“The way that works is that two bread rolls squeeze together like buttocks and another one gets in between and makes groaning noises.

“I can’t sell them now"

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/s...-2015052098454