[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

They haven't even been put out by this... they have some kind of christian action group paying their legal fees and fines.... and now they have advertised themselves to the christian community and probably picked up loads of business

Leave them to it I say, atleast this ruling has set a precedent now, if they want to keep paying legal bills and fines, that's their stupidity and loss

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Leave them to it I say, atleast this ruling has set a precedent now, if they want to keep paying legal bills and fines, that's their stupidity and loss

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

oh I agree... I wouldn't want them to be putout of business. that isn't the solution. But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

That's a great idea.

Really glad however that they have had the court ruling go against them and the publicity that goes with that too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

They haven't even been put out by this... they have some kind of christian action group paying their legal fees and fines.... and now they have advertised themselves to the christian community and probably picked up loads of business

Well then

The Angry Gay Activists
will start Stage 2

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's a great idea.

Really glad however that they have had the court ruling go against them and the publicity that goes with that too.

Yeah - So great an idea that if I was the cake shop owners I would close all 9 branches across Ireland and put all their 80 employees on the dole to prevent just such a probability.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah - So great an idea that if I was the cake shop owners I would close all 9 branches across Ireland and put all their 80 employees on the dole to prevent just such a probability.

Well good for that, they could of course sell the businesses and let people who weren't religious bigots provide the cake making service instead of them.
I say that from my Roman Catholic upbringing too, I hate the discrimination done in the guise of religion.

I would cheer if such prejudiced people lost their businesses.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well good for that, they could of course sell the businesses and let people who weren't religious bigots provide the cake making service instead of them.
I say that from my Roman Catholic upbringing too, I hate the discrimination done in the guise of religion.

I would cheer if such prejudiced people lost their businesses.

Mokka: But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

JOEY: "That's a great idea."


And I hate the thought of dickheads deliberately going into a cake shop to bait people who have now been rendered vulnerable and defenseless to such bullying because of a ruling by the Equality Commission - an organisation wide open to corrupt and banal actions by the PC brigade.

Lee is a Gay Rights activist who deliberately targeted these people to create a 'Test Case'. It was a 'set up' from start to predictable finish - as the statement from Lee's lawyer attests:

""It is difficult being a pathfinder in a discrimination case."

This dickhead could have simply taken his business elsewhere.

I have not spoken to one single GAY person out of dozens since this case started who does not think that a mountain has been made out of a molehill and that this could have been avoided.

This Christian Irish family did not refuse to bake the cake because of anyone being gay - they serve gay customers daily - so any talk of 'discrimination'is pure B.S.

Oh - and these decent people have as much right to be Christian as Lee has to be Gay.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Mokka: But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

JOEY: "That's a great idea."


And I hate the thought of dickheads deliberately going into a cake shop to bait people who have now been rendered vulnerable and defenseless to such bullying because of a ruling by the Equality Commission - an organisation wide open to corrupt and banal actions by the PC brigade.

Lee is a Gay Rights activist who deliberately targeted these people to create a 'Test Case'. It was a 'set up' from start to predictable finish - as the statement from Lee's lawyer attests:

""It is difficult being a pathfinder in a discrimination case."

This dickhead could have simply taken his business elsewhere.

I have not spoken to one single GAY person out of dozens since this case started who does not think that a mountain has been made out of a molehill and that this could have been avoided.

This Christian Irish family did not refuse to bake the cake because of anyone being gay - they serve gay customers daily - so any talk of 'discrimination'is pure B.S.

Oh - and these decent people have as much right to be Christian as Lee has to be Gay.

Really? REALLY?

Religion is a choice but your sexuality is just part of who you are. You aren't born religious, you're indoctrinated into it. Comparing a religion to sexuality and saying they should be treated the same is incredibly ignorant. Religion's one of the main reasons why discrimination is such an issue because people use literature from thousands of years ago to justify their bigotry.

Religion doesn't need protecting.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah - So great an idea that if I was the cake shop owners I would close all 9 branches across Ireland and put all their 80 employees on the dole to prevent just such a probability.

You must have an incredibly deep seated hatred of the gays to think that putting so many people out of work just to spite gay customers who are giving you business is a good and reasonable idea.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You must have an incredibly deep seated hatred of the gays to think that putting so many people out of work just to spite gay customers who are giving you business is a good and reasonable idea.

As usual, you are jumping into a thread to 'take me to task' for what I have stated in a post, but as usual, you are MISINTERPRETING what I said and spouting rubbish based on a CATEGORICAL and DELIBERATE IGNORING of FACTS.

Why is it is ALWAYS night time when you jump in and SOUND OFF in this manner? Is it SAFE for you to INDULGE your PERSONAL PREJUDICES because the other - more equitable and rational Mods are OFFLINE?

Whatever the reason, your ACCUSATION that I "must have an incredibly deep seated hatred of the gays" is a deliberate false one in light of my many posts on here concerning my many years of friendship with hundreds of Gays, my enduring close friendship with numerous Gay close friends, my decades of patronage of Gay venues and Nightclubs from Heroes in Manchester to Heaven in London, the fact that I was a supporter and active Campaigner for the CHE - Campaign For Homosexual Equality - for many years -- through a time when Gays REALLY KNEW THE MEANING OF DISCRIMINATION.

So do me a favour, keep your tiresome, personal little attacks to yourself because you are lying in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If you have anything logical to discuss I will be only too pleased to accommodate you, but until then stop lying and get your facts straight.

Coming to what you state, although I am tired of having to do this with you, I suppose if you GENUINELY cannot comprehend good English, then I must once again expound:

"to think that putting so many people out of work just to spite gay customers who are giving you business is a good and reasonable idea."

I never SAID close down the SHOPS and put 80 employees on THE DOLE TO "spite gay customers" - that's YOUR INVENTION again - I said to do so to avoid being bullied and baited by Gay people DELIBERATELY going into their shops to order DAILY, AS THE SUGGESTION WAS IN THE POST I WAS RESPONDING TO.

In simpler words; IF I WAS LAID VULNERABLE TO BEING DAILY BAITED AND EITHER FORCED TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST MY WILL OR BE CONSTANTLY PROSECUTED BECAUSE OF THIS COURT RULING, THEN I WOULD PROTECT MYSELF, CLOSE MY SHOPS AND SAY FECK THE EQUALITY COMMISSION.

GOT IT NOW?

GOOD.

Oh - and you're opinion that the type of 'Gay' customers in the context of my post would be "giving you business is a good and reasonable idea is nonsense if they are merely being sent in DAILY to place orders merely for baiting purposes.

Read the posts if you do not understand as much.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I'm not reading that essay because I already know it's going to contain nothing but (not so) sly digs and random capitalised words.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

As usual, you are jumping into a thread to 'take me to task' for what I have stated in a post, but as usual, you are MISINTERPRETING what I said and spouting rubbish based on a CATEGORICAL and DELIBERATE IGNORING of FACTS.

Why is it is ALWAYS night time when you jump in and SOUND OFF in this manner? Is it SAFE for you to INDULGE your PERSONAL PREJUDICES because the other - more equitable and rational Mods are OFFLINE?

Whatever the reason, your ACCUSATION that I "must have an incredibly deep seated hatred of the gays" is a deliberate false one in light of my many posts on here concerning my many years of friendship with hundreds of Gays, my enduring close friendship with numerous Gay close friends, my decades of patronage of Gay venues and Nightclubs from Heroes in Manchester to Heaven in London, the fact that I was a supporter and active Campaigner for the CHE - Campaign For Homosexual Equality - for many years -- through a time when Gays REALLY KNEW THE MEANING OF DISCRIMINATION.

So do me a favour, keep your tiresome, personal little attacks to yourself because you are lying in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If you have anything logical to discuss I will be only too pleased to accommodate you, but until then stop lying and get your facts straight.

Coming to what you state, although I am tired of having to do this with you, I suppose if you GENUINELY cannot comprehend good English, then I must once again expound:

"to think that putting so many people out of work just to spite gay customers who are giving you business is a good and reasonable idea."

I never SAID close down the SHOPS and put 80 employees on THE DOLE TO "spite gay customers" - that's YOUR INVENTION again - I said to do so to avoid being bullied and baited by Gay people DELIBERATELY going into their shops to order DAILY, AS THE SUGGESTION WAS IN THE POST I WAS RESPONDING TO.

In simpler words; IF I WAS LAID VULNERABLE TO BEING DAILY BAITED AND EITHER FORCED TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST MY WILL OR BE CONSTANTLY PROSECUTED BECAUSE OF THIS COURT RULING, THEN I WOULD PROTECT MYSELF, CLOSE MY SHOPS AND SAY FECK THE EQUALITY COMMISSION.

GOT IT NOW?

GOOD.

Oh - and you're opinion that the type of 'Gay' customers in the context of my post would be "giving you business is a good and reasonable idea is nonsense if they are merely being sent in DAILY to place orders merely for baiting purposes.

Read the posts if you do not understand as much.

What's with all the capitals and 'Gay' being a capitalised word

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Mokka: But if I was a gay advocacy group set up in their area, I would probable send someone in every day to order a gay cake

JOEY: "That's a great idea."


And I hate the thought of dickheads deliberately going into a cake shop to bait people who have now been rendered vulnerable and defenseless to such bullying because of a ruling by the Equality Commission - an organisation wide open to corrupt and banal actions by the PC brigade.

Lee is a Gay Rights activist who deliberately targeted these people to create a 'Test Case'. It was a 'set up' from start to predictable finish - as the statement from Lee's lawyer attests:

""It is difficult being a pathfinder in a discrimination case."

This dickhead could have simply taken his business elsewhere.

I have not spoken to one single GAY person out of dozens since this case started who does not think that a mountain has been made out of a molehill and that this could have been avoided.

This Christian Irish family did not refuse to bake the cake because of anyone being gay - they serve gay customers daily - so any talk of 'discrimination'is pure B.S.

Oh - and these decent people have as much right to be Christian as Lee has to be Gay.

It is actually a legal court that has found them guilty of discrimination Kirk, not the movement that helped bring the case.

In other words, under the law, they have been deemed to be and found guilty of breaking the law, not the original customers.


It could have been avoided definitely, they could have simply baked the cake, made a nice profit from it and left it all at that, they never had to personally approve of what was on the cake.
Just do what they do for everyone else,provide the service their business is for.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is actually a legal court that has found them guilty of discrimination Kirk, not the movement that helped bring the case.

In other words, under the law, they have been deemed to be and found guilty of breaking the law, not the original customers.


It could have been avoided definitely, they could have simply baked the cake, made a nice profit from it and left it all at that, they never had to personally approve of what was on the cake.
Just do what they do for everyone else,provide the service their business is for.

Agreed joeysteele... and in answer to my post... the law has been set and enforced now. If the shop owners want to keep their business open, which I am all for, then they need to bake any cake that is requested of them, provided it isn't pornography in cake form that is.
My point was that they have had huge financial backing from the church and haven't felt the sting of their punishment, so they most likely feel justified in continuing to turn away one certain type of customers over and over. If they are willing to admit that the law is binding in this situation, a gay cake a day should be like money in the bank to them. If not, then they still haven't learnt their lesson.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Really? REALLY?

Religion is a choice but your sexuality is just part of who you are. You aren't born religious, you're indoctrinated into it. Comparing a religion to sexuality and saying they should be treated the same is incredibly ignorant. Religion's one of the main reasons why discrimination is such an issue because people use literature from thousands of years ago to justify their bigotry.

Religion doesn't need protecting.

rubbish. what youre saying is the exact same discrimination you preach against. who the heck are you to say who is born what? everyone is different. you got rid of God now you want to be God.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Really? REALLY?

Religion is a choice but your sexuality is just part of who you are. You aren't born religious, you're indoctrinated into it. Comparing a religion to sexuality and saying they should be treated the same is incredibly ignorant. Religion's one of the main reasons why discrimination is such an issue because people use literature from thousands of years ago to justify their bigotry.

Religion doesn't need protecting.

All good and relevant points,especially the part in bold.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by the truth

rubbish. what youre saying is the exact same discrimination you preach against. who the heck are you to say who is born what? everyone is different. you got rid of God now you want to be God.

Unless you believe there is no God to get rid of... then your points are mute.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

rubbish. what youre saying is the exact same discrimination you preach against. who the heck are you to say who is born what? everyone is different. you got rid of God now you want to be God.

Sexuality is biological, you can't control whether or not you like men or women anymore then you can control the true colour of your skin or your hair or your eyes.

Religion is a man-made construct. It is taught, it isn't something that you are born with and it isn't part of your genetic make up. If a boy was raised in an environment without religion or outside influence he wouldn't suddenly decide he was a christian one day, he would however when he was old enough would realise that he was straight or gay or bisexual because sexuality isn't a learned behavior, it is something that just is.

Saying it's discrimination to not protect religious rights when those religions are the reason why we still don't have equal rights is ridiculous. It's beyond stupid. As for the rest of the post, it's just your typical not-so-veiled bigotry that I've come to expect from your posts.

[Samuel.]

Slightly sad I won't be around for when religion completely dies out

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sexuality is biological, you can't control whether or not you like men or women anymore then you can control the true colour of your skin or your hair or your eyes.

Religion is a man-made construct. It is taught, it isn't something that you are born with and it isn't part of your genetic make up. If a boy was raised in an environment without religion or outside influence he wouldn't suddenly decide he was a christian one day, he would however when he was old enough would realise that he was straight or gay or bisexual because sexuality isn't a learned behavior, it is something that just is.

Saying it's discrimination to not protect religious rights when those religions are the reason why we still don't have equal rights is ridiculous. It's beyond stupid. As for the rest of the post, it's just your typical not-so-veiled bigotry that I've come to expect from your posts.

lies hypocrisy, discrimination , double standards and bigotry. You are no one to demand to say what everyones sexuality is. I know many people who were with men for years, then went to women, others in reverse others who were bsexual in later life. you cannot and should not box everyone together and speak for everyone, that is discrimination. you also have no right to say what ALL religious people are or are not and how they hold beliefs. your responses are more judgemental and bigoted than anything else on this topic. As for this specific case if someone who runs a business doesn't want to bake a cake for a wedding or anything else, he/she is perfectly entitled to say no , without reprise or threats of violence from any lobby group.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

lies hypocrisy, discrimination , double standards and bigotry. You are no one to demand to say what everyones sexuality is. I know many people who were with men for years, then went to women, others in reverse others who were bsexual in later life. you cannot and should not box everyone together and speak for everyone, that is discrimination. you also have no right to say what ALL religious people are or are not and how they hold beliefs. your responses are more judgemental and bigoted than anything else on this topic. As for this specific case if someone who runs a business doesn't want to bake a cake for a wedding or anything else, he/she is perfectly entitled to say no , without reprise or threats of violence from any lobby group.

Well, those people are bisexual and they always have been, they either didn't realise they were bisexual or they repressed it.

I'm not being called a bigot by someone who loses their **** whenever women are mentioned and endlessly whines when Gay Rights are bought up. You are a bigot and a misogynist and deflection will not change that. This is the last time I shall reply to you. You are a bigoted troll and nothing more.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, those people are bisexual and they always have been, they either didn't realise they were bisexual or they repressed it.

I'm not being called a bigot by someone who loses their **** whenever women are mentioned and endlessly whines when Gay Rights are bought up. You are a bigot and a misogynist and deflection will not change that. This is the last time I shall reply to you. You are a bigoted troll and nothing more.

how incredibly childish, I call you you out for labelling all people and all sexualities and you respond by petty name calling lol, oh so predictable of a radical liberal.....everyone must of course cow tow to bullying anyone with different views, anyone who questions the liberal hard line must be attacked bullied threatened and beaten up by these groups....you are talking complete rubbish you are being bigoted youre speaking for everyone and telling them what they are and why they are, you nor anyone has any right to do that...everyone is an individual theyre not your subjects.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is actually a legal court that has found them guilty of discrimination Kirk, not the movement that helped bring the case.

In other words, under the law, they have been deemed to be and found guilty of breaking the law, not the original customers.

It could have been avoided definitely, they could have simply baked the cake, made a nice profit from it and left it all at that, they never had to personally approve of what was on the cake.
Just do what they do for everyone else,provide the service their business is for.

I agree that a legal court actually found them guilty Joey, and because of this fact they have no choice than to legally comply with that finding in their future business conduct - no matter how unfair they feel that verdict to be.

This was one of my very points in my condemnation of the recent 'anti-Tory'
protesters/rioters who rioted against a lawful act of Government - the same protesters/rioters which some on here defended in their NOT accepting a legal decision.

Double standards.

So - yes - it was a court who tried and delivered a verdict in this case, but my point was that the case would not have been brought had the shop not been deliberately targeted by Gay Activist Lee with the specific intention of making a 'Test Case' of it.

When you write: "It could have been avoided definitely, they could have simply baked the cake, made a nice profit from it and left it all at that, they never had to personally approve of what was on the cake."

Being owners who personally received the order, they could not have avoided 'personally' approving or disapproving what was on the cake.

I am all for Gay Rights' and 'Equality', but this entire business to me is cynical and unsavoury, unnecessary, and - like the banning of Nativity plays in some of our schools and the banning of the wearing of crucifixes in some of our workplaces because they might 'offend' a minority - is yet one more example of extending 'equality' on one section of society by imposing inequality on another.

The Equality And Human Rights Commission has been needlessly and cynically exploited once again - in my opinion.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What's with all the capitals and 'Gay' being a capitalised word

WHAT capitals and WHERE IS gAY capitalised?