[Babschap]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

It was a terrible thing that Helen and her mate did - tying down a poor innocent, decent, respectable footballer like Rooney and sexually assaulting him after giving him an evil potion to make him forget he was a married man with a pregnant wife. Why didn't she just microwave a kitten or invade Poland if she wanted to get up to no good.

Roony is a slag as well, he and Helen well suited.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

It was a terrible thing that Helen and her mate did - tying down a poor innocent, decent, respectable footballer like Rooney and sexually assaulting him after giving him an evil potion to make him forget he was a married man with a pregnant wife. Why didn't she just microwave a kitten or invade Poland if she wanted to get up to no good.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Babschap

Roony is a slag as well, he and Helen well suited.

His wife was the innocent in it all ,Helen made money on Colleens misery

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Babschap

If that's the case then why the fuss over Danielle's past? It was a feeding frenzy for Helen and co, hardly irrelevant making a girl cry no matter what she was like!

They didn't make her cry. Biannca answering Steven's question and saying she thought Danielle was fake was what made her cry.

Helen and the others were simply surprised and amused to learn she's not who she says she is.

But, regardless, none of their backgrounds make a difference. People like/dislike them based on their behaviour in the house.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

His wife was the innocent in it all ,Helen made money on Colleens misery

His wife is a doormat. He's done a hell of a lot more than Helen and a hell of a lot older. More fool her for valuing money over self respect.

[Babschap]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

But she isnt anymore, and walk a mile in someones shoes before you judge them please

we have no idea how much she needed that money, Ive had a happy marraige for many years, two great kids, so I have no idea what it is to be a single mum with no job, not enough money to feed, let alone clothe my child, so I only judge her on her gobby moments and thatnkfully we see them less and less and the better side of her (brought out by Ash and the girls in the house) coming through
Im very glad Helen got the free pass, cause I would have voted her out first go, and I would have missed all this....

She wont win, I dont think, but I would hope she comes a long enough way to get a lot of cheers on final night

I've been broke, had kids to look after etc. I have walked that mile but got it together to earn a wage, not prostitute myself. That's pathetic.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That doesn't stop them saying she's a prostitute

I thought she'd already told Ash?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Babschap

I've been broke, had kids to look after etc. I have walked that mile but got it together to earn a wage, not prostitute myself. That's pathetic.

Good for you. Not everyone manages it so easily.

Like in the current climate when people say they've managed to find jobs no matter how tough it is at the moment. That's great but facts are not everybody can work as there aren't actually enough jobs no matter what.

So judging her off your own experience is pretty pointless.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They didn't make her cry. Biannca answering Steven's question and saying she thought Danielle was fake was what made her cry.

Helen and the others were simply surprised and amused to learn she's not who she says she is.

But, regardless, none of their backgrounds make a difference. People like/dislike them based on their behaviour in the house.

I get it that Dani was daft to try to pull the innocent card, hoping that she wouldn't be outed and i think that makes her extremely naive.

But Bianca took great pleasure in outing Dani, and humiliating her when Helen has a gagging order in place to protect her.

It should be the same rule for everyone and Helen relished the fact that Dani had been outed but the stinger for us is that she is protected, how do you think everyone would react knowing that she was the girl who slept with Rooney, how would she feel if she'd been outed and humiliated in front of her friends in the house?

[CaudleHalbard]

I would have thought that bonking with Rooney would add to Helen's cred with some in the house - the lads especially.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I get it that Dani was daft to try to pull the innocent card, hoping that she wouldn't be outed and i think that makes her extremely naive.

But Bianca took great pleasure in outing Dani, and humiliating her when Helen has a gagging order in place to protect her.

It should be the same rule for everyone and Helen relished the fact that Dani had been outed but the stinger for us is that she is protected, how do you think everyone would react knowing that she was the girl who slept with Rooney, how would she feel if she'd been outed and humiliated in front of her friends in the house?

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

But, again, it's not the same thing. Helen hasn't been pretending to be the opposite of what she is. Danielle's embarrassment comes from all the lies she's spouted and the act she's performed.

Something coming out about someone's past is one thing, someone's real personality exposing their "acting" is another thing entirely.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

She is protected because there's a gagging order in place.

[Babschap]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Good for you. Not everyone manages it so easily.

Like in the current climate when people say they've managed to find jobs no matter how tough it is at the moment. That's great but facts are not everybody can work as there aren't actually enough jobs no matter what.

So judging her off your own experience is pretty pointless.

I was not judging her by my own experience, was just showing how flawed your argument is.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She isn't "protected". Half the house know she was a prostitute.

But, again, it's not the same thing. Helen hasn't been pretending to be the opposite of what she is. Danielle's embarrassment comes from all the lies she's spouted and the act she's performed.

Something coming out about someone's past is one thing, someone's real personality exposing their "acting" is another thing entirely.

But it's a game show Dani is allowed to have a persona if she thinks it will win her the game. What's wrong is being outed, when another is protected with a gagging order, and tbh Helen shouldn't be the one judging her as she's been in the sex trade and has done things she's not proud of, maybe the same applies to Dani, Seems Helen lacks compassion!

[Kazanne]

it wasn't Helen who sold the story it was her mate Jenny,hence the fall out.

[rusticgal]

At the end of the day it's irrelevant what's said about Helen....she is there to the final no matter what. When the final comes hopefully she will be the first out. We all know what she has done...the others will find out after...until then we have to live with her and the others knowing her secret will not make a blind bit of difference...UNFORTUNATLY .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

She is protected because there's a gagging order in place.

From the name Wayne Rooney being uttered. There is no gagging order about her being a prostitute, hence her telling Ash.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

But it's a game show Dani is allowed to have a persona if she thinks it will win her the game. What's wrong is being outed, when another is protected with a gagging order, and tbh Helen shouldn't be the one judging her as she's been in the sex trade and has done things she's not proud of, maybe the same applies to Dani, Seems Helen lacks compassion!

Helen wasn't judging her, she found it hilarious that the prude catholic virgin turned out to be the opposite. That's not hypocritical. That's a natural reaction to such revelations.

Helen's past as a prostitute is not protected, the name "Wayne Rooney" is.

It's not about compassion, Danielle had a persona, yes she's allowed one but the embarrassment came from her persona being revealed as a lie, not the past itself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Babschap

I was not judging her by my own experience, was just showing how flawed your argument is.

It wasn't my argument love.

Many people hit rock bottom and end up on the street, in the sex trade, on drugs etc etc. It's not for people who found jobs to say it's easy to not end up there.

[Babschap]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It wasn't my argument love.

Many people hit rock bottom and end up on the street, in the sex trade, on drugs etc etc. It's not for people who found jobs to say it's easy to not end up there.

Oh dear "love" it was your argument in so far as you were defending Helens prostitution on the basis that she was skint, my argument was that it was not the only option. Nothing personal, just my opinion.

[rubymoo]

Marsh.

You said half the house knows she's a prostitute and now it's gone down to Ash.

I thought she said to Ash she'd done things she wasn't proud of, i didn't hear her say the word prostitute.

Helen lacks compassion, she's been on Dani's back from day 1, and she relished the fact that Dani had been outed, and i'm sorry but Helen has done far worse, she's behaved far worse, Helen made money from selling her story regarding the 3some, i know her ex friend sold it first but that's irrelevant because Helen still got her share. Helen has major problems, but i live in the knowledge that yes she's in the final and she's not going to win.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Babschap

Oh dear "love" it was your argument in so far as you were defending Helens prostitution on the basis that she was skint, my argument was that it was not the only option. Nothing personal, just my opinion.

No, I wasn't. I responded to your claim that you too were broke with children but managed to find work.

The prostitution stuff was Miranda's post.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

You said half the house knows she's a prostitute and now it's gone down to Ash.

I thought she said to Ash she'd done things she wasn't proud of, i didn't hear her say the word prostitute.

Helen lacks compassion, she's been on Dani's back from day 1, and she relished the fact that Dani had been outed, and i'm sorry but Helen has done far worse, she's behaved far worse, Helen made money from selling her story regarding the 3some, i know her ex friend sold it first but that's irrelevant because Helen still got her share. Helen has major problems, but i live in the knowledge that yes she's in the final and she's not going to win.

No, it hasn't gone down to Ash. I said we saw her telling Ash (so it isn't protected). Only the story from the papers - Wayne Rooney - is.

But half the house know through whispers. Mark knew from launch night as he recognised her etc.

Helen and Danielle lack compassion for one another so it's not hypocritical. It's not about the fact Danielle has gone topless/done webcams. It's about the fact she pretended she was a catholic prude.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, it hasn't gone down to Ash. I said we saw her telling Ash (so it isn't protected). Only the story from the papers - Wayne Rooney - is.

But half the house know through whispers. Mark knew from launch night as he recognised her etc.

Helen and Danielle lack compassion for one another so it's not hypocritical. It's not about the fact Danielle has gone topless/done webcams. It's about the fact she pretended she was a catholic prude.

But my point is how would Helen feel if she was outed in front of her mates?

The house don't actually know who Helen is, Mark says he recognizes her but lets face it he also claims he can read tea leaves!

So no one actually knows what she did, but Biannca went in there telling everyone about Danielle, in my eyes Danielle should be allowed the same amount of privacy as Helen and the other housemates, but for some reason she was targeted and outed.

Yes she pretended she was a catholic prude, but Helen is also hiding who she really is as i've not seen her shout from the roof top that she's a prostitute, i've nothing against prostitution and actually feel she must have been desperate to have done it, but her take on others having sex in the house and Danielles webcam actually does make her a hypocrite because she's done far worse.

[Marsh.]

Not shouting from the rooftops is not hiding or pretending to be something you're not.