[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

I've seen this said and I say BS.
Helen hasn't controlled anything. She has no control, for if she had surely she would have made sure that Ashleigh wasn't a fave for the win; and that Christopher and Chris would have been evicted.
Helen has been nothing but an idiot and a fool who has handed those she doesn't like a pass to the final on a plate, and she was the one with the free pass. How ironic is that?
Without her in there nobody can say it would have been a bad series, because we can't possibly know that. IMO, it would have been better because no series should revolve around one person, and especially not one as utterly horrible as Helen. BB capitalized on her ugly nature by making sure her nastiness and vileness was given a top spot at the expense of the other HM's interacting and having fun. And she was good value for it and it serves her right for being such a vile cow.
The 'good guys' controlled Helen, not the other way around - and THAT is what made the show. Without Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, Helen would have had a coven sitting around her afraid to say boo and she would never have had a reason to go haywire because she would have been sitting there all smug and self satisfied and acting the Queen Bee. She'd be sitting there with the brain - dead lads giggling and sneering and talking sex and God knows what other s*****. Riveting stuff, if that's what some want.
Added to that she has been the reason her friends Tamara and Winston were evicted before their time. She's the kiss of death, a bloody jinx.
She's been the biggest idiot ever to walk through the BB doors. Hasn't she done well?

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring, no need to read we already know what it says,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring, no need to read we already know what it says,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

Well there is the Helen mentality reflected.

Said in a foghorn drawl. " I know what I/she is like, but you don't listen, you don't see it like I do, you'r wrong, how can I make it so you get it, because you don't get it like I do. (Expletives every other word removed).

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Well there is the Helen mentality reflected.

Said in a foghorn drawl. " I know what I/she is like, but you don't listen, you don't see it like I do, you'r wrong, how can I make it so you get it, because you don't get it like I do. (Expletives every other word removed).

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

..to be fair I was reading another thread about 'the escape' and people who don't like Ashleigh were saying ..oh, it would be different if it was Ashleigh/then it would be ok/funny/hypocrites etc...and people who liked Ashleigh we're being scoffed at and called hypocrites for not criticising Ashleigh for something she had no part in and it was just being 'presumed'..there are endless other threads doing the same and of both sets of fans and it's all wrong and not necessary to refer to fans for their opinions rather than HMs for their actions only...I'm agreeing with you that it's all tedious and wrong from everyone....as if we haven't had enough to comment on and discuss in the house anyway this year...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..to be fair I was reading another thread about 'the escape' and people who don't like Ashleigh were saying ..oh, it would be different if it was Ashleigh/then it would be ok/funny/hypocrites etc...and people who liked Ashleigh we're being scoffed at and called hypocrites for not criticising Ashleigh for something she had no part in and it was just being 'presumed'..there are endless other threads doing the same and of both sets of fans and it's all wrong and not necessary to refer to fans for their opinions rather than HMs for their actions only...I'm agreeing with you that it's all tedious and wrong from everyone....as if we haven't had enough to comment on and discuss in the house anyway this year...

Why does it all have to come back to her at all?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Please elaborate on the Helen mentality? I have heard all the dross before,there is no need for it to be said over and over,once is quite enough,so less of the sly Ashleigh mentality digs.(said in a sly Irish whisper!!!)

I had already elaborated on the Helen mentality in the post.

It also reflects that those who support her may miss the point as often as she does.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh another Helen hate thread,so boring, no need to read we already know what it says,she's been great imo and that's all that matters,she's kept certain people in posts going anyway,imagine the forum without her

If only your reaction was the same to all the Ashleigh hate threads.

Instead, you actively join in.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MrWong

If only your reaction was the same to all the Ashleigh hate threads.

Instead, you actively join in.

As I am entitalled to,and will continue to do so,big difference I don't keep making Ashleigh 'hate' threads now do I?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

As I am entitalled to,and will continue to do so,big difference I don't keep making Ashleigh 'hate' threads now do I?

Never said you did. I said you actively join in yet bemoan hate threads about Helen.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Never said you did. I said you actively join in yet bemoan hate threads about Helen.

Well,,of course I do I don't like the girl so will comment,isn't that why we all comment? or are we not allowed to comment negatively on her?and c'mon how many more Helen hate threads do we really need the forums full of them,we get the message,no need to keep it on repeat.I like Helen,so obviously will say so

[Jake.]

This series has been dreadful since week 4, so good on her for 'making' it what it is..

[Kizzy]

And as the OP says helen has however positively/ negatively you view her made the series.. no doubt about it.

Helen has controlled everything and 'made' this series

Yes, yes she has.

[Tip]

BB has controlled everything and "made" this series pretty much - and it hasn't been great in my view.

The Winston out campaign success however, makes it feel that the public got a chance of control and "making" something of what's left of this dismal series.

(Arguments about how the threads on this forum are administered don't really interest me, I'm sure moderators could merge threads or whatever - it's not worth arguing about in my view)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tip

BB has controlled everything and "made" this series pretty much - and it hasn't been great in my view.

The Winston out campaign success however, makes it feel that the public got a chance of control and "making" something of what's left of this dismal series.

(Arguments about how the threads on this forum are administered don't really interest me, I'm sure moderators could merge threads or whatever - it's not worth arguing about in my view)

The fixated fans that contribute to these campaigns only serve to make the show a mockery of what it should be really.

[Livia]

Everyone who's been close to Helen has been picked off by the public one at a time. Now she's left with just Ash. I think that says everything about Helen, her clique and their attitude that anyone needs to know. People don't like aggressive bullies and they don't like bitchy cliques.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone who's been close to Helen has been picked off by the public one at a time. Now she's left with just Ash. I think that says everything about Helen, her clique and their attitude that anyone needs to know. People don't like aggressive bullies and they don't like bitchy cliques.

Or it says a lot about the twitter campaigns who spend an awful lot of their money on phone votes.

I'd never waste my money on this farce of a programme.

[Tip]

Fixated fans support the show and keep it going, however fixated fans also take it all too seriously and forget that in fact it is actually a very light entertainment show where winning / losing actually means very little at all in the grand scheme of things.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tip

Fixated fans support the show and keep it going, however fixated fans also take it all too seriously and forget that in fact it is actually a very light entertainment show where winning / losing actually means very little at all in the grand scheme of things.

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.

exactly,if only people were honest enough to admit that.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, winston was a victim of this mentality, it had nothing to do with him or his friends in the house.

If it's that important, maybe people shouldn't apply to enter what is after all a bit of light and trivial entertainment - they are a victim of wanting to be a part of it.

They get to be on tv, take part in the program and go home afterwards maybe with a prize and maybe not. They aren't hard done by in the least unless people blow it all out of any realistic sense of proportion.

It's a popularity contest - and there isn't a great deal of high moral ground to be made out of that either which way.

[Kizzy]

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, VTS this week would have stopped any negative campaigns is all.
Looking at it objectively it's clear that VTE was pivotal in that, regardless of what kind of housemate you are or what your expectations are.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, VTS this week would have stopped any negative campaigns is all.
Looking at it objectively it's clear that VTE was pivotal in that, regardless of what kind of housemate you are or what your expectations are.

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Tip

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

I take your point,I just liked when BB on Channel 5 brought in vote to save because then, those who like and support ceratin housemates can get behind them and support them with their voting all through the series.

Vote to evict only opens the door for negative voting in my view and rarely is a test of true popularity too.
I guess I am just a firm vote to save guy who would like to be involved in my favourite housemate/s progress all through the series rather than just at the final.