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Vanessa · 12-08-2014, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree Joey ,real bullies hide it well,are sly and manipulative,nothing at all like Helen really,she is just a hot head who doesn't think before she says something,real bullies are very calculated,Hmmm ,that actually reminds me of someone

Bullies don't say sorry either. Never ever.

Kazanne · 12-08-2014, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

No it is insulting to people who have been bullied when people deny bullying. Not only insulting but disgusting.

She is NOT a bully ,you forget people who support her have also been bullied,they,KNOW the difference

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot

I dont think anyone really believes she is a bully it is just being used as a cheap,repetitive and negative way of attacking her
There isnt a lot of ways that Ashleigh can be supported in a positive manner so desperation turns into trying to make other housemates look bad rather than championing their own.
Its a bit sad really.

YOU don't think anyone really believes she is a bully. Ask yourself why?

Kazanne · 12-08-2014, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

Bullies don't say sorry either. Never ever.

Good point Vanessa

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

She is NOT a bully ,you forget people who support her have also been bullied,they,KNOW the difference

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

kefln · 12-08-2014, 08:13 AM

Its down to a simple trick the mind plays, that familiarity breeds acceptance.

Helens behaviour was deplorable. But she's been around for so long that some have started to ignore all her bad traits and started to "blame" those who dislike her because of the aggression.

Kazanne · 12-08-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

Well they have ,they have said so on here,you have the whole concept of bullying wrong,but if it's all you've got,I guess you'll run with it

Vanessa · 12-08-2014, 08:14 AM

Ashleigh is hardly Mother Theresa herself.

rubymoo · 12-08-2014, 08:16 AM

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

Vanessa · 12-08-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rubymoo

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

I think she's brash and very loud.

rubymoo · 12-08-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she's brash and very loud.

Which is probably normal to her within her friendship circle.

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well they have ,they have said so on here,you have the whole concept of bullying wrong,but if it's all you've got,I guess you'll run with it

No YOU have the whole concept of bullying wrong. You don't acknowledge bullying when you see it, you ignore it. Anyone who has been bullied will NEVER defend Helen in that upload.

Vanessa · 12-08-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rubymoo

Which is probably normal to her within her friendship circle.

Yes, probably.

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rubymoo

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

There is nothing complex about her at all. She is a nasty bully.

billy123 · 12-08-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

There is nothing complex about her at all. She is a nasty bully.

seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

kefln · 12-08-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rubymoo

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Kazanne · 12-08-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot

seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

Didn't someone get told about that yesterday?

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot

seriously change the record constantly repeating yourself is not only silly its spamming as well.

She is a nasty bully. I am stating truth that needs to be repeated.

billy123 · 12-08-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't someone get told about that yesterday?

Yep and rightfully so theres no need for it.
Its a sign of desperation thats for sure.

rubymoo · 12-08-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kefln

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Why is it fabricated

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.

Vanessa · 12-08-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot

Yep and rightfully so theres no need for it.
Its a sign of desperation thats for sure.

Achilles · 12-08-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kefln

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Not only is it a made up back story, the real back story is ignored. Helen making disgusting comments about Irish people on social media. Helen bullying an Irish person on Big Brother.