[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Sorry but who didn't think Toya was a prick?

Hats off to him for telling her, I say!

hear hear, Toya was a stain on humanity

and a deluded prick

her eviction was one of the best ever though, so thanks for that Toya lol

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Sorry but who didn't think Toya was a prick?

Hats off to him for telling her, I say!

I don't, I think she's honest as hell. Ash was as bad as her in that argument and only because Toya was a black female that she left

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Going from a female hating chauvinist to 'nice guy' following the boos is very consistent

Wow ouch. Where have you got that from?

[mrflibble]

I don't hate Ash, but I don't like him. I have found him mostly boring and irrelevant. I think he shacked up with the wrong people, because he has done a few funny things, but I think that, like the other housemates, he is stifled by Helen. His nasty side has come out quite a few times and I would rank him in the top half of the nastiest people in the house from what's been shown. I agree with the 'laughing hyena' comment as well. I don't think he has been consistent in ALL his behaviour (changing after the boos etc), but I think he might've been a better housemate without Helen there. I think most of the housemates who 'paired up' would've been better without their 'other half', tbh.

[lime]

I don't think Ash is a bad lad ...just very dull .apart from the odd shout out to steve "top shaggger" or "I can't be arsed" he hasn't contributed much to the show.It does annoy however how he feels the need to repeat everything Helen says

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Josy

So yeah I don't think he is boring at all, I find him funny, nice, laid back and a pretty decent guy, he made a couple of mistakes with comments to Jale but he apologised about those and explained he meant no malice with them (Apart from the Maggot comment, he was a dick with that and I posted that on here but we all make mistakes), I find most of his hate to come from his association with Helen which is pretty unfair, we have seen him trying to shut her up a few times but failing and he mentioned the other night he is constantly trying to stop her from going off on one, oh and he also gets a lot of hate for being a model, funny that it's always females hating females that gets brought up but not the fact that guys hate 'nice looking' guys on BB.

He has no chance in winning but he definitely deserves his place in the final IMO.

[Jack_]

I like Ash and have done a lot more in the second part of the series, after Mark he's probably the funniest housemate. But he still didn't bring as much to the show as quite a few of the others did, so he's a middle tier housemate and deserves no higher than fourth.

[kefln]

There are parts to Ash that I like and there are parts that I really dislike.

He has a tendency to say stupid things, the Jale comment and his more recent one about "that Island" which p*ssed me off.

Other than that, he's a relaxed guy. Is to be able to get on with people and gets 100% involved with the tasks. I think he could have been a better HM. He has enough mischief in him to be interesting. But he seemed to get stuck in a rut. If the tasks had been more challenging I think he would have shined.

[user104658]

Ash on balance has been my favourite housemate, just not done enough to be the "winner" really. He reminds me a LOT of a guy a shared a house with for 3 years at Uni.

I think it's a shame that he didn't get to know everyone equally because of the "divide" and his strong friendship with Helen. To his credit, he seems to get on with everyone and everyone seems to like him (even Ashleigh, who really only took against him to get at Helen, because of Helen's immunity), and he's always been quick to say that he likes other housemates even when his friends have been saying otherwise... he doesn't play "follow the leader"... BUT I do think he's kept his distance from (or been kept at a distance by) some of the others because of "association". Which is a shame.

I disagree that he hasn't brought anything to the show, he's actually brought a sort of balance and down-to-earth fairness to the show, I think it would have been a complete mad-house without him and not in a good way. He's really come into his own in the last couple of weeks, IMO.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ash has been the only housemate that's been consistent throughout the entire show, I personally have liked him since the beginning and think he is being himself in there, laid back, normal, easy going, can't be arsed with drama's and so on, he is just your typical guy, yeah he has had a few up's and downs like most of the hm's have but who wouldn't being chucked into a house with this lot? He is also one of the only hm's to have made some genuine friendships in there that I can see lasting when out of the house.

Some might describe him as boring and that's fair enough but I don't see it as that, he is what I have always liked in housemates during older BB's, my favourite BB is actually BB3 and that had a couple of hm's with the same laid back type of character as him, most seem to be under the impression that hm's need to be loud, upfront, in your face to be good hm's well I disagree with that, they get very annoying very fast and end up out the door ASASP (Toya, Pauline)

So yeah I don't think he is boring at all, I find him funny, nice, laid back and a pretty decent guy, he made a couple of mistakes with comments to Jale but he apologised about those and explained he meant no malice with them (Apart from the Maggot comment, he was a dick with that and I posted that on here but we all make mistakes), I find most of his hate to come from his association with Helen which is pretty unfair, we have seen him trying to shut her up a few times but failing and he mentioned the other night he is constantly trying to stop her from going off on one, oh and he also gets a lot of hate for being a model, funny that it's always females hating females that gets brought up but not the fact that guys hate 'nice looking' guys on BB.

He has no chance in winning but he definitely deserves his place in the final IMO.

I disagree with one point, I think he has a chance of winning if Helen doesnt get the top spot, if she goes out before the final 2, then all helen fans will vote Ash to win!

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

I disagree with one point, I think he has a chance of winning if Helen doesnt get the top spot, if she goes out before the final 2, then all helen fans will vote Ash to win!

No ones votes between freezes though

[Anothercat]

Quite nice but deadly dull

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ash has been the only housemate that's been consistent throughout the entire show, I personally have liked him since the beginning and think he is being himself in there, laid back, normal, easy going, can't be arsed with drama's and so on, he is just your typical guy, yeah he has had a few up's and downs like most of the hm's have but who wouldn't being chucked into a house with this lot? He is also one of the only hm's to have made some genuine friendships in there that I can see lasting when out of the house.

Some might describe him as boring and that's fair enough but I don't see it as that, he is what I have always liked in housemates during older BB's, my favourite BB is actually BB3 and that had a couple of hm's with the same laid back type of character as him, most seem to be under the impression that hm's need to be loud, upfront, in your face to be good hm's well I disagree with that, they get very annoying very fast and end up out the door ASASP (Toya, Pauline)

So yeah I don't think he is boring at all, I find him funny, nice, laid back and a pretty decent guy, he made a couple of mistakes with comments to Jale but he apologised about those and explained he meant no malice with them (Apart from the Maggot comment, he was a dick with that and I posted that on here but we all make mistakes), I find most of his hate to come from his association with Helen which is pretty unfair, we have seen him trying to shut her up a few times but failing and he mentioned the other night he is constantly trying to stop her from going off on one, oh and he also gets a lot of hate for being a model, funny that it's always females hating females that gets brought up but not the fact that guys hate 'nice looking' guys on BB.

He has no chance in winning but he definitely deserves his place in the final IMO.

He hid behind Helens apron strings and others were afraid to challenge him. He was to content to let things go over him. The only good thing about him is his looks.....

[sampvt]

If your name is Ash and you sit in the garden avoiding the **** that's going down and being quiet, he is labled boring, but if you are called Ashleigh doing the same thing but on the bed, you are called hero and nice girl, go figure.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If your name is Ash and you sit in the garden avoiding the **** that's going down and being quiet, he is labled boring, but if you are called Ashleigh doing the same thing but on the bed, you are called hero and nice girl, go figure.

well said Sam!

HELEN TO WIN!! ASH 2ND PLACE!!

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Josy

So yeah I don't think he is boring at all, I find him funny, nice, laid back and a pretty decent guy, he made a couple of mistakes with comments to Jale but he apologised about those and explained he meant no malice with them (Apart from the Maggot comment, he was a dick with that and I posted that on here but we all make mistakes), I find most of his hate to come from his association with Helen which is pretty unfair, we have seen him trying to shut her up a few times but failing and he mentioned the other night he is constantly trying to stop her from going off on one, oh and he also gets a lot of hate for being a model, funny that it's always females hating females that gets brought up but not the fact that guys hate 'nice looking' guys on BB.

He has no chance in winning but he definitely deserves his place in the final IMO.

pretty much, like i said in another thread i think its projection by some posters here, however still no fan of ash (sorry).

[AnnieK]

I like Ash and have done from the beginning. He reminds me of a lot of people I know. He occasionally speaks before he thinks - the Jale comment an example- but who doesn't. I would have called Toya a prick for the way she started shouting in that argument. He's laid back and doesn't let an awful lot get to him...not sure if he is a winner but he's a deserved finalist.

[Sophiee]

what about when he called jale a 'maggot' and was aggressive whilst speaking to matthew? they've all had their ups and downs in there and good and bad moments in my opinion, ash is no exception.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I like Ash and have done from the beginning. He reminds me of a lot of people I know. He occasionally speaks before he thinks - the Jale comment an example- but who doesn't. I would have called Toya a prick for the way she started shouting in that argument. He's laid back and doesn't let an awful lot get to him...not sure if he is a winner but he's a deserved finalist.

Originally Posted by Sophiee

what about when he called jale a 'maggot' and was aggressive whilst speaking to matthew? they've all had their ups and downs in there and good and bad moments in my opinion, ash is no exception.

I mentioned in my OP my thoughts on when he called Jale a maggot.

I disagree he was aggressive with Matthew tbh, he backed Helen up yes but he wasn't what I would describe as aggressive in the slightest.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Josy

I mentioned in my OP my thoughts on when he called Jale a maggot.

I disagree he was aggressive with Matthew tbh, he backed Helen up yes but he wasn't what I would describe as aggressive in the slightest.

I would say that saying 'I'll **** you up' is a form of aggressive speaking. it sounds much like a threat, whether he meant it or not.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

I mentioned in my OP my thoughts on when he called Jale a maggot.

I disagree he was aggressive with Matthew tbh, he backed Helen up yes but he wasn't what I would describe as aggressive in the slightest.

Helen gets called to the diary room after aggressively ranting in Matthews face.

Matthew - "I'm not gonna let someone stand here and talk **** about me."

Ash - "I know Matthew but if you call my friends that deep <whatever that means> i'll tear you apart.....long pause while he realises he sounds like a ****... I don't mean literally I mean lyrically."

What he said was quite aggressive.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

what about when he called jale a 'maggot' and was aggressive whilst speaking to matthew? they've all had their ups and downs in there and good and bad moments in my opinion, ash is no exception.

the Jale thing was instant anger (allowed in humans)

Toya was a gob sh.te bitch and a prick who needed shutting up

and Matthew was her lapdog and should try growing a pair (or just have the op and be done with the whole charade ffs)

HELEN TO WIN!! ASH 2ND PLACE

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

the Jale thing was instant anger (allowed in humans)

Toya was a gob sh.te bitch and a prick who needed shutting up

and Matthew was her lapdog and should try growing a pair (or just have the op and be done with the whole charade ffs)

HELEN TO WIN!! ASH 2ND PLACE

probably so, but I still don't think he's this lovely innocent guy that some people make him out to be, he's got a nasty streak like the rest of them.
matthew had his own argument with helen without toya being so much as involved, if you don't remember.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

probably so, but I still don't think he's this lovely innocent guy that some people make him out to be, he's got a nasty streak like the rest of them.
matthew had his own argument with helen without toya being so much as involved, if you don't remember.

He's human we ALL have nasty streaks.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He's human we ALL have nasty streaks.

why don't other HMs from many other series not get lot off for having "nasty streaks" then?