[Yaki da]

It's simple enough... During a vote to win Helen is just stuck in a secret room and it boosted her popularity as it was designed to do and enough to get her over the finish line in first by 1.2%

Emma/Michelle/Gina/Dexter would have all topped the vote when they were in secret rooms. It boosts a persons popularity.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It's simple enough... During a vote to win Helen is just stuck in a secret room and it boosted her popularity as it was designed to do and enough to get her over the finish line in first by 1.2%

Emma/Michelle/Gina/Dexter would have all topped the when they were in secret rooms. It boosts a persons popularity.

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by sampvt

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

There was 1.2% between them. And even if people share your opinion on Ashleigh, you're avoiding the point about the court case in which she was meant to look like the hard done by woman and then the secret room which she was just placed in by the production team during a vote to win.

The whole point was to boost her votes in the final week. And it did.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

In your opinion maybe but not in mine. She won because the GBP will never vote the likes of Dermaglen Dottie ever to win BB, end of.

No, they wouldn't, would they?

They prefer the Helen's of this world. The next time we'll see her she'll be falling out of a club in Ibiza boozed out of her head.

[LukeB]

i dont think its a fix has it was soooo close it was anyones to be honest, people believe the agent thing is true it could be we don't know? but its deffo not a fix, they should of voted

[tonster76]

realistically, the other finalists weren't that exciting. Ashleigh had a bit of favour, not sure why. Then Chris, Chris Ash and Pav.... all pretty average.

[Pete.]

If it was a straight out fix Ashleigh would have gone instead of Jale, Danielle instead of Tamara etc.

But I think heavy manipulation on the part of the producers influenced how the series panned out. Take Toya's eviction, then Matthew's and Ashleigh's Power Housemate nom it seemed that if you had an argument then you were sent packing. As for the final, there were a lot of crazed Helen fans, some spending £500 voting for her to win - I don't think it was fixed

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

If it was a straight out fix Ashleigh would have gone instead of Jale, Danielle instead of Tamara etc.

But I think heavy manipulation on the part of the producers influenced how the series panned out. Take Toya's eviction, then Matthew's and Ashleigh's Power Housemate nom it seemed that if you had an argument then you were sent packing. As for the final, there were a lot of crazed Helen fans, some spending £500 voting for her to win - I don't think it was fixed

£500

[Josy]

Helen won because she got the most votes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by adamski94

There has been a rumour that all of them apart from 3 housemates are signed to a agency owned by richard desmond (which i dont believe). If people looked over differnt social media sites helen had alot of support and a campaign for her to win which helped her win.

Also for anyone who thinks it was a fix please complain to ofcom and then lets us know when they tell you there was no fix and helen won fairly.

There is no fix,those who think it was ,should have picked the phone up,simple as that.

[Liam-]

The thing is, if Ashleigh was put into the secret room, i doubt this conversation would be happening, because that would have been fairer than fair itself.
At the end of the day, Helen won because she had more votes at the end of the night, that is as fair as it gets, people can call fix and speculate all the conspiracy theories under the sun, the person with the most votes wins, this time around, it was Helen, it can't be changed, so why bother arguing over it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Even if it was 0.1 Helen WON accept ,you appear very bitter

[sampvt]

1.2 based on 400,000 votes is pretty big, in fact it represents the size of a small town.

[Amy Jade]

Chuff and Liam

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Chuff and Liam

Isn't it pathetic ? would you show yourself up shouting FIX because a brat you liked the voting public disliked?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Isn't it pathetic ? would you show yourself up shouting FIX because a brat you liked the voting public disliked?

It's just as bad on DS and twitter, people screaming fix and manipulative editing.

Let's not forget how badly Helen was shown to be at times too, they were all edited badly at times but Helen came through in the final few weeks, she stayed true to herself but made an effort to not be so confrontational and mouthy and people love a journey. She won fair and square.

[Ruffle]

She was a bully and most people know this I think there is a culture were it's more trendy to go against popular opinion then campaign set the ball rolling hay presto you have this fun think going were it's less about a deserving winner and more about people will be made lets do it what you really get is the wrong winner plus people saying there is no point to this show anymore it will happen next year it happened last year

[Jules2]

No sour grapes just a pass to the final, possibly no fix but a very unfair advantage. This has never ever been done before and people have the right to question it.

[rionablue]

The way I see it is this and I could of course be wrong : Helen never faced a public vote as she had a pass to the final. Yes, the eviction crowd booed a bit for her from time to time even if she wasn't up, Yes for the most part in these forums she was disliked or hated but lets ask ourselves what EVIDENCE did we have that the general British Public, those who pick up their phones and vote didn't like Helen? Maybe many of them thought she was on a journey and came out a much better person? Many some of them felt sorry for her? Maybe many of the people who disliked the outsiders wanted one of the cool gang to win and seeing that it was only Helen and Ashleigh in the final two they voted for Helen.

Lets also remember that fans of Helens gang who had all been evicted would be more likely to vote for Helen than Ashleigh who had always had a problem with her and visa versa. I don't think its a fix I think we are all just very very surprised she won over the golden goddess. I for one of course am glad as I never ever wanted Ashleigh to win. Just my opinions of course

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rionablue

The way I see it is this and I could of course be wrong : Helen never faced a public vote as she had a pass to the final. Yes, the eviction crowd booed a bit for her from time to time even if she wasn't up, Yes for the most part in these forums she was disliked or hated but lets ask ourselves what EVIDENCE did we have that the general British Public, those who pick up their phones and vote didn't like Helen? Maybe many of them thought she was on a journey and came out a much better person? Many some of them felt sorry for her? Maybe many of the people who disliked the outsiders wanted one of the cool gang to win and seeing that it was only Helen and Ashleigh in the final two they voted for Helen.

Lets also remember that fans of Helens gang who had all been evicted would be more likely to vote for Helen than Ashleigh who had always had a problem with her and visa versa. I don't think its a fix I think we are all just very very surprised she won over the golden goddess. I for one of course am glad as I never ever wanted Ashleigh to win. Just my opinions of course

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

[Ammi]

..I agree with both Riona and Joey...I have been an Ashleigh fan almost from the beginning/although not necessarily my favourite as such, just of the two females..?...but I think that when BB put Helen into the secret room they were hoping for 'typical behaviour patterns' from both of them...Ashleigh to discuss Helen critically/bitch etc and then the reaction of rage from Helen...personally I think it would be natural to discuss a housemate you've really not connected at all with once they had left the house but that aside...unfortunately for Ashleigh she did fall into 'typical behaviour' and the bitching happened but Helen did not, she completely denied BB what they had hoped for...in a way, it wasn't so much a victory over Ashleigh, which I won't take away from her and her fans for that but more a victory over BB who have manipulated and nurtured this 'feud' throughout and given very little of either their 'good balance' or of other housemates.....


....that would only be on the last few days though and I'm sure voting in her favour wasn't only that but maybe helped and she showed a 'maturity'....but then Ashleigh is ONLY EIGHTEEN YRS.........but yeah, no fixes/just final out manoeuvring....

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

Thank you Joey

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You have made many great posts this BB series and above is yet another.
I agree with all you say.

I also could believe the fake eviction twist was not originally intended to be of any benefit to Helen at all.
After all the then power housemates were not asked to evict 2 of their number,only one,.
Before they were asked to evict a housemate BB had already selected Helen to be the one to go first.

I think, they hoped Helen watching Ashleigh again from another room would have had Helen come back into the house absolutely fuming at her.
It backfired on BB if that was the case and that seems far more logical to me than actually wanting to edit Helen in a good way as to their original plan.

With the fake eviction plan, Helen was chosen to go in first. Why wasnt there anything shown re Ash and Pav talking? It was all Ashleigh and Christopher. I am sure that Ash and Pav were having a good old chat re Chris. The three of them had all sat and downed, after all this time, Chris'
friendship with Ashleigh, doubting the age difference. Load of poppycock. They were trying to make it bad for Chris. Why wasnt any of it shown, they concentrated on Christopher and Ashleigh, thus making it bad for Ashleigh nothing at all was shown re Pav and Ash......Everything centred around the two girls, the rest could go to pot.

[Pete.]

The word bitter and are the two worst things that came out of this BB

[Dia]

There was an OK! Magazine commercial that had Helen, Mark, and some D-listers in it. That commercial must have been filmed before they went in the house because it was shown during the breaks in the HL show/BOTS. When I first saw them in the commercial, I just thought it was kind of random, but it makes sense after reading this post:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ummer-2014.htm

Richard Desmond owns Northern & Shell
Northern & Shell publishes OK! and owns Channel 5