[JoshBB]

It's wrong to abort imo, but the mother should have every right to abort the baby under the correct circumstances (eg. rape).

[Firewire]

I'm male, I shouldn't have an opinion other than it should be up to the woman.

[Vicky.]

I am pro-choice. However I completely disagree with people who have multiple abortions and use it as a contraceptive almost (I know these people are few and far between though)

[Liam-]

I believe that you shouldn't get yourself into a position where you have an unwanted pregnancy in the first place (Obviously not including rape) but it happens, so if a woman feels that she wouldn't be able to cope with having a baby and isn't ready for one, then It's their choice and their choice alone whether or not to have an abortion, considering the women are the ones who have to go through with either the pregnancy or abortion, then it is 100% down to the woman and her wants, no-one else should have a say in the matter.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I believe that you shouldn't get yourself into a position where you have an unwanted pregnancy in the first place (Obviously not including rape) but it happens, so if a woman feels that she wouldn't be able to cope with having a baby and isn't ready for one, then It's their choice and their choice alone whether or not to have an abortion, considering the women are the ones who have to go through with either the pregnancy or abortion, then it is 100% down to the woman and her wants, no-one else should have a say in the matter.

time should be taken to give the mothers and fathers all the information and all the options, rather than rushing into killing babies. thousands of women and men later regret this decision, they often complain they felt pressurised or rushed and crucially they say they dont feel their were well informed enough about the options open to them , such as adoption and fostering etc
many live to regret this killing of the baby, it haunts the rest of their lives. in some cases these parents can never conceive again either. so much misery, so much pain and tragedy so much massive eternal regret , so must lost promise , lost opportunity, lost love, so many millions of lost innocent babies and broken hearted parents. and why all this misery? to satisfy the femi nazis

[user104658]

I don't believe that it should be made illegal, purely because of the massive can of worms that prohibition (in any form) opens up. People will always do what they want, whatever it is, making something illegal only serves to de-regulate and push actions underground. Which is never a good idea.

However - I personally find "convenience abortions" morally abhorrent ("I'm not ready", "It's too expensive", "I just don't want one", "blah blah blah economic position snore"... etc.). I honestly fully believe that anyone who isn't ready to accept the POSSIBLE consequences of having sex, shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Contraception used properly is almost completely effective but anyone (female OR male) "going all the way" should deal with the consequences. My eldest was conceived when I was 22 and my (now) wife was 20. I'm not going to pretend that I was like "oh, how lovely!". We were in a blind ****ing panic for months. But we just dealt with it, because we chose to have sex, and when it comes down to it... sex = babies. If you are ABSOLUTELY 100% definitely not ready to accept the possibility of parenthood, there are a myriad of other sexual activities that you can engage in that carry zero risk of pregnancy.

Finally... following on from the Dawkins thread - I'm not "hardcore pro-life" in all circumstances. There ARE circumstances under which I actually think it's the "right" choice - there are some genuinely horrific and agonising birth defects that essentially guarantee a few weeks / months of pain, followed by inevitable death. I don't think any good can come of an existence like that. There are also "mid-level" disabilities where I think it's a bit of a grey area but again, for me, really what it comes down to is whether or not there will be actual physical suffering and to what degree.

[user104658]

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

I'm not sure the argument against it is quite that it would be hard to give up the child...more along the lines of hard to go through 9 months of pregnancy (from my experience that is NOT easy at all) and then labour, and then to give the child up. I know we are more medically advanced today too but there is also still risks involved with labour and birth. I very nearly needed a blood transfusion with my latest child :S

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not sure the argument against it is quite that it would be hard to give up the child...more along the lines of hard to go through 9 months of pregnancy (from my experience that is NOT easy at all) and then labour, and then to give the child up. I know we are more medically advanced today too but there is also still risks involved with labour and birth. I very nearly needed a blood transfusion with my latest child :S

A vast amount of the risk is BECAUSE of medical advancement, but that's another debate entirely . Anyway, I do understand that pregnancy takes a massive and permanent toll on the body, and I'm by no means saying that adoption should be a default. Just that I don't think many people even actually put any real thought into it. I don't think it's properly SUGGESTED as an alternative, to those who do feel strong enough to carry on with the pregnancy but don't feel able to care for a child. I don't think it's explained that a newborn being adopted into a good home is all but a certainty, and many think that the child would "just go into care". Basically, I think that anyone going to their GP to discuss an abortion should be given literature on adoption to read before they come to a final decision... but, they're not. In fact, very few questions are asked at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A vast amount of the risk is BECAUSE of medical advancement, but that's another debate entirely . Anyway, I do understand that pregnancy takes a massive and permanent toll on the body, and I'm by no means saying that adoption should be a default. Just that I don't think many people even actually put any real thought into it. I don't think it's properly SUGGESTED as an alternative, to those who do feel strong enough to carry on with the pregnancy but don't feel able to care for a child. I don't think it's explained that a newborn being adopted into a good home is all but a certainty, and many think that the child would "just go into care". Basically, I think that anyone going to their GP to discuss an abortion should be given literature on adoption to read before they come to a final decision... but, they're not. In fact, very few questions are asked at all.

I think you're underestimating the thought most women put into having an abortion. I'm sure the vast majority consider every avenue before they make probably the toughest decision of their life. I'm sure there are very few women who don't look at every aspect.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

exactly, killing the baby is the cowards way out in a society that lacks the care , patience and compassion to simply build a better system that makes it easier for parents to have children and foster or adopt them where necessary. adoption is evil unless in cases of rape of serious health risks

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

exactly, killing the baby is the cowards way out in a society that lacks the care , patience and compassion to simply build a better system that makes it easier for parents to have children and foster or adopt them where necessary. adoption is evil unless in cases of rape of serious health risks

Harsh words from someone who will never have to carry and deliver a baby but has so very much to say about it. I'd say the real coward's way out it to make someone pregnant and then leave her to get on with it.

It is not a baby at the point it's aborted, it's a foetus. Continually calling it "a baby" may be provocative but it isn't true.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

well said!

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do also wish that more people would consider adoption as an option. People often quote the "over-stretched care system" as a reason not to, but that is in fact only because of older children entering care. There is a HUGE demand (from infertile and same-sex couples) for adoption of newborn babies. I've heard people argue against it saying that it isn't fair because of how hard it would be for the mother to give up the child but... wtf? When the alternative is just killing it in the womb? Ummmm...

Giving up a child - whether forced or a willing decision is something that truly does affect the rest of your life - it is not as simple as other members seem to think especially when plenty of adopted children have been placed with not very nice people ! You only have to watch families reunited to see the trauma and believe they only show the happy ones! I could go on about this subject forever having been forced by my family to have a child adopted ! Fortunately the last private adoption in my city before the law changed.
i do feel the truth is never black and white ! I just think is marvellous that kids these days are more in love with their phones than exploring what the other sex has to offer

[GypsyGoth]

Abortions for everybody!!! *point point*



Yay abortions!!

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Abortions for everybody!!! *point point*



Yay abortions!!

using my gifs

[Braden]

I don't think it's right per se, but there are circumstances where abortion is a rationalised thing to do (like most people have said, rape is one of them).

I think it comes down to the whole "who am I to tell someone what is right and wrong", if someone wants an abortion I would uncomfortable with even suggesting that they're wrong to do so.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Braden

I don't think it's right per se, but there are circumstances where abortion is a rationalised thing to do (like most people have said, rape is one of them).

I think it comes down to the whole "who am I to tell someone what is right and wrong", if someone wants an abortion I would uncomfortable with even suggesting that they're wrong to do so.

maybe you should be uncomfortable suggesting theyre right to kill a baby

[Vicky.]

I'm not sure people are rushed into abortions, however the proper care is definitely not there.

Against my original judgement (I have written about this before on here anyway), here goes. I had an abortion at 15/16 years old after being spiked and ending up pregnant. I wrote a lengthy post about it a few years back but from what I remember it was quite graphic explaining exactly what happens exactly in an early abortion, so its pretty grim so I wont dig it up. However, long story short..I was told I would get to see a psychiatrist person to make sure I was making the decision for the right reasons and stuff before taking the first tablet. The day I went, the psychiatrist was off work..but they still went ahead and gave me the tablet anyway. I never felt rushed into making the decision, and also it was a surprisingly long process given that its best doing it earlier in the pregnancy. Took about 2/3 weeks overall as 2 doctors had to agree and stuff.

Edit. Actually http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...8&postcount=75

Do not click that link if you are easily upset, especially in matters like this as it is quite graphic for on here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not sure people are rushed into abortions, however the proper care is definitely not there.

Against my original judgement (I have written about this before on here anyway), here goes. I had an abortion at 15/16 years old after being spiked and ending up pregnant. I wrote a lengthy post about it a few years back but from what I remember it was quite graphic explaining exactly what happens exactly in an early abortion, so its pretty grim so I wont dig it up. However, long story short..I was told I would get to see a psychiatrist person to make sure I was making the decision for the right reasons and stuff before taking the first tablet. The day I went, the psychiatrist was off work..but they still went ahead and gave me the tablet anyway. I never felt rushed into making the decision, and also it was a surprisingly long process given that its best doing it earlier in the pregnancy. Took about 2/3 weeks overall as 2 doctors had to agree and stuff.

Edit. Actually http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...8&postcount=75

Do not click that link if you are easily upset, especially in matters like this as it is quite graphic for on here.

It's for reasons like this it's impossible to ever make a decision either way, no 2 scenarios are ever identical and I would never judge anyone for doing what is right for them.
I think that the situation as it is in Ireland is draconian.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's for reasons like this it's impossible to ever make a decision either way, no 2 scenarios are ever identical and I would never judge anyone for doing what is right for them.
I think that the situation as it is in Ireland is draconian.

I agree Irelands attitude should have been left in the dark ages - the sad history of whats happened in the past - to girls and boys should be enough to at least get people talking about changing the future:

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not sure people are rushed into abortions, however the proper care is definitely not there.

Against my original judgement (I have written about this before on here anyway), here goes. I had an abortion at 15/16 years old after being spiked and ending up pregnant. I wrote a lengthy post about it a few years back but from what I remember it was quite graphic explaining exactly what happens exactly in an early abortion, so its pretty grim so I wont dig it up. However, long story short..I was told I would get to see a psychiatrist person to make sure I was making the decision for the right reasons and stuff before taking the first tablet. The day I went, the psychiatrist was off work..but they still went ahead and gave me the tablet anyway. I never felt rushed into making the decision, and also it was a surprisingly long process given that its best doing it earlier in the pregnancy. Took about 2/3 weeks overall as 2 doctors had to agree and stuff.

Edit. Actually http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...8&postcount=75

Do not click that link if you are easily upset, especially in matters like this as it is quite graphic for on here.

i agree the proper care isnt there, thats why we are the worst abortionists in the western world with over a million babie skilled off per 6 years, horrific...i think its 1 in 5 babies and murdered in the womb in this shameful country

[joeysteele]

This is always a hard one for me to comment on as being Male,I accept it is easy for me to say this, that and the other as to the issue but never having to go through all the main trauma myself.

I have in the end voted wrong but it should still be the Mother's choice.

I would prefer it not to happen but accept in some situations,a decision may have to be made, at that point I would agree with and support the woman as to whatever her decision may be.

Some great posts on here as to this and all make good reasons either way.

[AnnieK]

I am pro choice.

I personally would never consider abortion unless it was absolutely medically advised. I spent many years going through fertility treatments unsuccessfully but would still not condemn anyone who considers abortion. It is the mother who has to go through with the pregnancy including the hormone driven feelings, the long and often excruciating labour to then be flooded with another swirl of hormones that make the most "ready" mother often turn into a gibbering wreck. If she does not feel up to that how she could go through it and give up her child is beyond me which is why I feel a lot of people dismiss adoption.

What also makes me very sad is the number of potential adopters who will only consider babies. The number of older children and sibling groups which are begging for forever homes is astonishing. Certainly the older children are often more affected by the circumstances they have lived through but surely they are as deserving of a loving family and I know had I not had my "miracle" baby I would have adopted and age wouldn't have been a huge issue for me.

[Angelika]

Its a very complicated choice and issue.

Its should never to be used as contraception and always remembered that all surgery carries risk but that unregulated back-street abortions carried an even higher risk to life.