[Jules2]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

I think we have to bring it all down to the nitty gritty factor of the show, to be nominated is their fear so, it is best to stay with the crowd and not to fall out of the fold. Thus Gary and Frenchie have been the two obvious ones to pick. Leslie made this very clear in the beginning, then we have the likes of James and Stephanie saying that they should be caged like animals, titter, titter. One hears, one catches on and there we go we have the bulk of the show. Sheep followng each other....

[puzzled]

Was it? They were both there, but I thought it was Audley. Oh, well, I've been wrong before.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Was it? They were both there, but I thought it was Audley. Oh, well, I've been wrong before.

I think it was James.

[NotAWannabe]

For those of you who have not yet experienced a family member with some form of dementia, wait until you do and then cast judgement on how the housemates 'should' act. I'm not saying Gary is in this category, but just that nothing quite prepares you for it. You spend a life time building mental models of 'expected/anticipated' behaviour only to have them shattered. Try as you might, it's very easy to get annoyed with them and them with yourself for getting annoyed.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by NotAWannabe

For those of you who have not yet experienced a family member with some form of dementia, wait until you do and then cast judgement on how the housemates 'should' act. I'm not saying Gary is in this category, but just that nothing quite prepares you for it. You spend a life time building mental models of 'expected/anticipated' behaviour only to have them shattered. Try as you might, it's very easy to get annoyed with them and them with yourself for getting annoyed.

I appreciate what you are saying, but don't think it is relevant in this case. I have dealt with dementia, brain damage, and brain injury of people close to me, each of them very different and there are no 2 cases the same.. its a very individual thing.

[NotAWannabe]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

I appreciate what you are saying, but don't think it is relevant in this case. I have dealt with dementia, brain damage, and brain injury of people close to me, each of them very different and there are no 2 cases the same.. its a very individual thing.

My comments are more about the people around the person concerned. How we respond.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by NotAWannabe

My comments are more about the people around the person concerned. How we respond.

and my comments are still relevant. different people respond differently to different situations.. we are not clones..

[NotAWannabe]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

and my comments are still relevant. different people respond differently to different situations.. we are not clones..

Different forum members respond differently to different posts.

[Jules2]

I love the forum, we learn each day and thanks for the information. No matter what the reason is we only have the HMs word that Gary does not shower. As I have said, maybe he does not shower but it doesnt mean to say he doesnt wash. To me it is all just a little bit picky.

He has every right to be there otherwise he would not have been chosen. His Agent along with BB and their aids, would have made sure that he was fit. As it has been said, the powers that be are watching Kellie and Gary to make sure they are ok, I guess these are the obvious two with problems, Gary his hearing and Kellie her own need to be accepted. Having said that though, Kellie, at this moment, is the favourite to go tomorrow. Gary and George look quite safe and believe it or not Stephanie looks pretty good.

[delta]

The fact is that he is on the show and they are such a self centered 'needy bunch' that they would all crawl, stamp, stampede over each other too hog the limelight.

I don't think they need to be lectured on how to behave { but obviously they have been since the program started} around an ageing gentleman, with impaired hearing and possible brain damage. Anyone with half an ounce of compassion and understanding would cut him a large amount of slack. After all, they are all so insistent it's only a game, so why is it more important to make themselves look big and for them as a group to isolate Gary.

I haven't watched the live feed but by all accounts you get the real measure of these people, so called celebrities when the footage isn't doctored.


Let's hope the British public once again step up to the plate and see him through to at least the final!!

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by delta

The fact is that he is on the show and they are such a self centered 'needy bunch' that they would all crawl, stamp, stampede over each other too hog the limelight.

Delta, Im not being funny.. this is Celebrity Big Brother... The majority of the housemates have always been self centred and needy, and would all crawl over their dead relatives to get a little more limelight... that's nothing new.

I cannot honestly say that ANY of the housemates are different, Busey included..

[LemonJam]

Brilliant thread. I've had a generally mixed opinion on Gary (leaning a big towards negative I'll admit) but with this knowledge I've changed some perspective. However with this knowledge I find myself asking what parts of his character are due to brain damage and what parts are really just Gary? It's a fair thought that these undesirable characteristics are solely from the brain damage but what if some weren't?

I totally agree with the notion that the housemates should've been informed a bit more but I fear this is what production wants (they know how the public are suckers for an underdog story). Producers don't want to show us everyone being nice to Gary and they've manipulated the situation to their favour in the name of entertainment. But God aren't we enjoying it?

I'd be interested to see how the dynamic changes once they are (if ever) informed.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Brilliant thread. I've had a generally mixed opinion on Gary (leaning a big towards negative I'll admit) but with this knowledge I've changed some perspective. However with this knowledge I find myself asking what parts of his character are due to brain damage and what parts are really just Gary? It's a fair thought that these undesirable characteristics are solely from the brain damage but what if some weren't?

I totally agree with the notion that the housemates should've been informed a bit more but I fear this is what production wants (they know how the public are suckers for an underdog story). Producers don't want to show us everyone being nice to Gary and they've manipulated the situation to their favour in the name of entertainment. But God aren't we enjoying it?

I'd be interested to see how the dynamic changes once they are (if ever) informed.

Yes, I said this the other day. The producers can do what they want and what they want is for the public to get emotionally invested. It's the oldest trick in the book.