[smileymummy]

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smileymummy

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

no. gary was bullied on live feed too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by smileymummy

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

No I don't. It's too consistant and it's on the live feed. The nominations were horrid, the way Stephanie spoke to him was way out of line.

[smileymummy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I don't. It's too consistant and it's on the live feed. The nominations were horrid, the way Stephanie spoke to him was way out of line.

Wheres the live feed? i thought it had been axed?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by smileymummy

Does anyone but me think it maybe clever edititng on big brother part?

No definitely not, we saw it much clearer on the Live Feed and it was worse than what we see on the highlights IMO.

[Northern Monkey]

Just because somebody does'nt act like a victim does'nt mean that they can't be bullied.

[puzzled]

He does feel it. He said that everyone hated him and it hurt his heart, to Frenchy. Sometimes he looks very abandoned, but he makes the best of it. He does everything to appease them and make it stop, but they just go on and on. James, particularly, just can't let anything drop, and Stephanie was cruel.

[Macie Lightfoot]

and yeah I'm not even going to read the truth's novella about how straight white males are society's victims or whatever the ****. Keep churning out fan fiction the truth

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

and yeah I'm not even going to read the truth's novella about how straight white males are society's victims or whatever the ****. Keep churning out fan fiction the truth

Thats right ignore the truth, embrace the ignorance, well done!!!!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Do you realize how silly it is to be a Helen fan but get up in arms about "bullying" in other shows at the same time? you can't make this stuff up.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Do you realize how silly it is to be a Helen fan but get up in arms about "bullying" in other shows at the same time? you can't make this stuff up.

You do realize that not everyone thought that Helen was a bully right? Just like you don't think that Frankie was bullied on BBUSA.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

This I do agree with, Victoria is useless

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

You do realize that not everyone thought that Helen was a bully right? Just like you don't think that Frankie was bullied on BBUSA.

Yeah but like.. sorry but I don't see any interpretation (that isn't completely subjective, at least) that the way that everyone tried to get Frankie evicted as part of the game, like you said yourself, was worse than how Helen (and Pauline and others) treated Christopher and pretty much everyone who had the misfortune of entering a day later for at least the duration of Pauline's stay.

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Oh and at least Helen was relevant in her series unlike Victoria in BB16USA who's only claim to fame is taking the cap of Zach and maliciously slashing it up.

This is the logic that I have never understood. BBUK and BBUS have been awful this year largely because of the casts being filled with largely unlikable people. And, like, if I thought the series was bad chances are I thought a lot of the HMs and storylines and everything else was also bad. So yeah, at least Helen was relevant to her series. It's just too bad it was a ****ing abhorrent one.

[Ultimist]

I'm in Gary's corner 100%, but so far I don't feel what he is being subjected to has reached the level of "bullying".... YET...

But what we are seeing in how he is treated are all the prerequisite behaviors that LEAD to bullying on a more serious scale. In ways, the other housemates are "testing the waters" to see how much Gary is willing to take... and as time goes on, their behavior becomes worse after realizing he accepts most criticism and truly does try to work on things.

He actually handles himself quite well, and that is yet another thing that bothers the other housemates. They're failing to get under his skin as much as they'd like to. That's why tempers are escalating. They want him to be more bothered by what they have to say about him and how they treat him, but for the most part he's just not biting.

There's a quiet strength about him that is truly admirable. One can see that he does get a bit hurt by people's comments... especially when we see him alone and can tell that he is reflecting on things with a bit of regret.

Right now, Stephanie and James stand out as the two biggest potential bullies. Stephanie's behavior and treatment of Gary is disgusting and shameful. I know this couldn't be done without someone getting in serious trouble on the show, but when she was standing over Gary, screaming about how terrible and disgusting she thinks he is, I wished someone would have stood up and slapped her sharply across the face. She is an absolute abomination.

If George continues to "like" her after this, it says a lot about his character (or lack thereof) as well. If I were romantically interested in someone and saw them treat another person like that, the romantic feelings would fade and I'd be ashamed for ever having them.

So, no, what we are seeing is not technically bullying... but it is edging closer and closer as time goes on. And whether you call it bullying or not, one thing is certain. The behavior is UNACCEPTABLE.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I have been thinking about posting this thread for awhile and tonight with another few threads saying that housemates are being bullied has prompted me to finally put it out there (my views on it)

To me a bully is someone who belittles, abuses, verbally hurts, physically hurts a smaller or weaker person who is unable to stand up for themselves. I. like I am sure many other forum members was bullied from a very young age. I was one of the smallest in my class in school and was quite bright when it came to homework etc. Therefore I was picked on, my hair was pulled, the kids told the teacher I slapped them, my school bag destroyed, my copybooks written on.

I know that adults can also bully other adults so I am not saying that it just happens with kids. In all the years I have watched Big Brother (both civilian and celebrity) I have only seriously seen what I DEEM to be bullying in one series and that was when Jade and the other two girls bullied Shilpa. They kept attacking her for various reasons, her beliefs, her looks etc and almost backed her into a corner. There is NOBODY being bullied in the house at the moment. Sure they are all against Gary but he is taking it well and smiling away and just discarding the comments.

Having being bullied myself I am very very careful of the use of the word and I would urge everyone to think twice before they rant on about bullying. And before anyone says it I am fully aware that BB has called housemates to the diary room from time to time to ask them about their actions and telling them it could be perceived as bullying.

So sorry my post is so long and I hope that at least some of you can see where I am coming from

..I agree Riona that 'bullying' can be over-used when there are conflicts of personalities in the house...the thing is that 'bullying' per se is hard to define and when warnings etc are given out or when we're using our own judgements, it's what can be 'perceived as bullying'....out of 24 hours each day BB choose the parts they want to highlight and those parts often include things like..isolation, ridicule, mocking, insulting etc so that's what they're giving us..?...we see that but we don't always see warnings or we see warnings of 'perceived bullying' and then it all continues with no more said or done...so when and if the public cry 'bully', it's because that is how it's perceived by them and designed to be perceived as such....


..I've bolded some of your post because those very things have been happening in the house with Gary..?...George who likes James observed how condescending/patronising he is...Kellie only seems to have two emotions..aggression/anger or tears/self pity...Leslie can be a viper and spiteful and gets very personal at times...Frenchie upset them all with the food thing and has caused broken sleep as have some of the others...they're all annoying..?..they're all irritating..?..they probably would all want to make you scream at times..?...but Gary's hearing impairment aside and his age aside so it can't be said...oh why should we make allowances for him/he shouldn't be there/why should he be special...well he is 'special'..he's special because he's the only 'annoying/irritaing' housemate that they are ridiculing, mocking, insulting and treating differently to anyone else....so is that 'bullying'..?...just because his responses are..oh yeah, I'll learn from that/interesting/I'll try to work on that/thank you for pointing it out...he's had his beliefs laughed at, he's had his parenting questioned, he's had his hygiene insulted, he's had his hearing impairment dismissed as an annoyance that they have to repeat themselves several times....has anyone else had their flaws, their failings or any other perceived negativity about them so painfully, cruelly, openly and brutally pointed out....he definitely gets 'special' treatment for sure....and in my opinion he is definitely 'singled out' for that special treatment in a way that no other housemate is despite their obvious failings/annoyances/irritations....other housemates may have had things about them picked up on/confronted about..even been insulted ... but not in such a consistent and persistent way as he has...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree Riona that 'bullying' can be over-used when there are conflicts of personalities in the house...the thing is that 'bullying' per se is hard to define and when warnings etc are given out or when we're using our own judgements, it's what can be 'perceived as bullying'....out of 24 hours each day BB choose the parts they want to highlight and those parts often include things like..isolation, ridicule, mocking, insulting etc so that's what they're giving us..?...we see that but we don't always see warnings or we see warnings of 'perceived bullying' and then it all continues with no more said or done...so when and if the public cry 'bully', it's because that is how it's perceived by them and designed to be perceived as such....


..I've bolded some of your post because those very things have been happening in the house with Gary..?...George who likes James observed how condescending/patronising he is...Kellie only seems to have two emotions..aggression/anger or tears/self pity...Leslie can be a viper and spiteful and gets very personal at times...Frenchie upset them all with the food thing and has caused broken sleep as have some of the others...they're all annoying..?..they're all irritating..?..they probably would all want to make you scream at times..?...but Gary's hearing impairment aside and his age aside so it can't be said...oh why should we make allowances for him/he shouldn't be there/why should he be special...well he is 'special'..he's special because he's the only 'annoying/irritaing' housemate that they are ridiculing, mocking, insulting and treating differently to anyone else....so is that 'bullying'..?...just because his responses are..oh yeah, I'll learn from that/interesting/I'll try to work on that/thank you for pointing it out...he's had his beliefs laughed at, he's had his parenting questioned, he's had his hygiene insulted, he's had his hearing impairment dismissed as an annoyance that they have to repeat themselves several times....has anyone else had their flaws, their failings or any other perceived negativity about them so painfully, cruelly, openly and brutally pointed out....he definitely gets 'special' treatment for sure....and in my opinion he is definitely 'singled out' for that special treatment in a way that no other housemate is despite their obvious failings/annoyances/irritations....other housemates may have had things about them picked up on/confronted about..even been insulted ... but not in such a consistent and persistent way as he has...

Very well said Ammi.

[Samm]

He isn't being bullied at all lol

[the truth]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

He isn't being bullied at all lol

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

If he's all you claim he should have stayed at home instead of being a burden to everyone else

[smileymummy]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

Do you think that a man that was accused of beating his wife can be bullied? or one that struck a flights attendant? or fought with co hosts? or got removed from celebrity rehab for being pyschical? and then theres the apprentice,do you serously think a man like this can be bullied?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smileymummy

Do you think that a man that was accused of beating his wife can be bullied? or one that struck a flights attendant? or fought with co hosts? or got removed from celebrity rehab for being pyschical? and then theres the apprentice,do you serously think a man like this can be bullied?

ah the usual lies and gossip mongering to try and take down the best housemate and favourite. no doubt you profess we cant mention dee being a lazy lard ass because thats outside the house...to clarify in the house gary is a legend, awesome housemate, cool, calm, genuine, warm, funny, brave , forgiving, patient etc etc out the house hes also the biggest legend....lived an amazing life. his kids adore him....his career has been stupendous and his performances incredibly skilled and varied. hes also raise millions for his son with his helth problems...hes even a fantastic musician too....what a guy

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes he is, you just choose not to recognise it. this is vicious nasty bullying. mocking his disability, showing no empathy or compassion whatsoever for his health problems with his brain injury and hearing, which also causes imbalance....the man is 70 years old and hes being screamed at sworn at, mocked and excluded 24 hours a day...knowing full well he has no place to run and no place to run to....nasty horrible bullies.

He's excluded 24/7 is he? then how do you explain all the times we see him with people and interacting with people? or are you watching something completely different to everyone else?

[rionablue]

Thanks for all the comments on the thread I created. Obviously many of you disagree with my post but that is what these forums are for. As someone who was bullied for years and years I see it that if someone is able to stand up for themselves or can actually take it all and not go into meltdown its not strictly bullying. I in no way agree with the housemates treatment of Gary and I in no way agree with any kind of verbal attacks on someone or their character. I just think that bully is probably the most common word in all the forums related to Big Brother and in my own humble opinion its not warranted. Belittling someone is probably a more relevant word in my vocab but as I said thanks again for all the comments

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Thanks for all the comments on the thread I created. Obviously many of you disagree with my post but that is what these forums are for. As someone who was bullied for years and years I see it that if someone is able to stand up for themselves or can actually take it all and not go into meltdown its not strictly bullying. I in no way agree with the housemates treatment of Gary and I in no way agree with any kind of verbal attacks on someone or their character. I just think that bully is probably the most common word in all the forums related to Big Brother and in my own humble opinion its not warranted. Belittling someone is probably a more relevant word in my vocab but as I said thanks again for all the comments

Gary is not being bullied, he's just not liked by EVERYONE who's sharing a house with him day in day out, so lets do the maths on it and who's the wrong one ?