[arista]

Stop it LT


Enough is Enough

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Stop it LT


Enough is Enough

Watch this today on sky news HD

[Jack_]

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

Always a good thing to have you join in and post Jack,I agree with all that.

[Ammi]

..I do think that they were extremely negligent, I don't think that the children should have been left alone, it's inconceivable to me that a parent could do that, not only once but again after Madeleine told them that she had woken the night before but they have had seven years already of having to live with that, with what they did...and seven years of not knowing where there daughter is or what happened to her, that in itself must be the worst sort of 'punishment' that a parent could have..the not knowing...I would think that they're their own 'torturers', they don't need anyone to constantly judge them because they must judge themselves every single day ...what good would them being charged and possibly convicted of negligence do for Madeleine..it wouldn't change anything but it would mean that their other children wouldn't have their parents if they did have to serve prison time...how would that be a good thing for any of them....

..I honestly think that Kate especially was 'judged' by many of the public almost from the minute it was known that Madeleine had been taken because she didn't 'look as though she was grieving' enough...but who's to say what someone who is grieving should look like, is there a certain way that people are expected to be..?...no, everyone is different and copes with their emotions differently...yes, they may have been negligent, I have no idea what they were thinking by leaving her alone, in my opinion it was completely wrong but it's been seven years, surely enough is enough and they've suffered enough judgement as well as the heartbreak of losing their daughter and not knowing what happened to her....

[Ammi]

..and also...I don't know if it's a good analogy but there was a thread a little while ago/a story..it was about a father who left his child in the backseat of his car in the full heat of the day and his son suffered an extremely painful death...he had forgotten that his son was there and he had forgotten to drop him off at nursery school...I remember reading about it on a few sites and there were many who showed sympathy in that, the father would have to live with what he did for the rest of his life and that's the worst punishment a parent could ever have, nothing you could do to him would be worse than what he himself had to live with....it was negligent, I don't think there's any question of that...but why so much coldness and so much unrelenting lack of compassion toward the McCanns for something that must torture them every single day...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and also...I don't know if it's a good analogy but there was a thread a little while ago/a story..it was about a father who left his child in the backseat of his car in the full heat of the day and his son suffered an extremely painful death...he had forgotten that his son was there and he had forgotten to drop him off at nursery school...I remember reading about it on a few sites and there were many who showed sympathy in that, the father would have to live with what he did for the rest of his life and that's the worst punishment a parent could ever have, nothing you could do to him would be worse than what he himself had to live with....it was negligent, I don't think there's any question of that...but why so much coldness and so much unrelenting lack of compassion toward the McCanns for something that must torture them every single day...

I guess the difference is that that was an accident? He didn't purposely leave the child in the car where as the McCanns did decide to leave their children alone that night even after Maddie had told them that she'd woken the night before and had been crying when she couldn't find them?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.

I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.

I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.

There is a lot of truth in your post. I think so too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.

I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.

Totally agree, Annie.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.

I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.

I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.

I agree,Kizzy,plus the fact,they didn't physically search for her,some questions unanswered by kate also conflicting stories by some,and their seemingly lack of sorrow as soon as she disappeared,I know people react differently but,I just know ther is no way I could have gone out jogging etc.I am sure I would have had to be sedated,I don't know what happened to her,but I am not sure she was abducted,there are just too many unanswered questions,it seems to be more a money making thing now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FIFo9gw7

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FIFo9gw7

The tabloid rags that plastered this woman's face all over their front covers are guilty of causing her death. Simple as that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

I think that any rational person would care equally in cases such as these which involve children, no matter what social background or 'class' the principals are.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

Freedom of speech does not set you free from libel and slander. If you say something on the Internet it is exactly the same as saying it aloud or writing it anywhere else. It saddens me when people try to invoke free speech to protect the stupidest, rudest most ignorant people in society and to free them up to spout their bile that has only one intention and that is to be hurtful. To see people claim freedom of speech in cases like this is to diminish what freedom of speech actually is.

I don't understand what you're getting at with the Shannon Matthews comment. Until the sorry plot was uncovered I would say generally people were concerned for the child and sympathetic to the family. Their background was not an issue, and the way it turned out it seems strange you would hold that up as an example.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.

I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.

http://news.sky.com/story/1345871/ev...gainst-mccanns



[Many social media users have expressed anger
towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.
However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’,
who has since deactivated her Twitter account.
In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live
nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.
The campaigner spearheading the appeal - who has asked to
remain anonymous - told Sky News: "We're very worried that it's only going
to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats
that have been made, and we couldn't live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing."]



This Reporter Martin Brunt is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlQJbsVs48
SkyNews is now Live on a YouTube link and you click 1080PHD on the setting


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[Ammi]

..anyway, I guess what I meant to say (in fewer words..)..is that public hatred for the McCanns imo happened long before it was ever known that Madeleine woke up the night before, which Kate revealed herself anyway and before many other things were known and it's been a very 'determined' hate which would always find some release... and sadly, hate quite often clouds other things, like how it's going to be for Madeleine's siblings to read this stuff about their parents and the 'theories' and that I think it was in their best interests to have their parents with them through these seven years....so yeah, negligent but I can't see the value on an already broken family of them having being charged and convicted...

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

http://news.sky.com/story/1345871/ev...gainst-mccanns



[Many social media users have expressed anger
towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.
However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’,
who has since deactivated her Twitter account.



In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live
nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.
The campaigner spearheading the appeal - who has asked to
remain anonymous - told Sky News: "We're very worried that it's only going
to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats
that have been made, and we couldn't live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing."]



This Reporter Martin Brunt is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlQJbsVs48
SkyNews is now Live on a YouTube link and you click 1080PHD on the setting


[ This is SkyNewsInternational which never has a clock, therefore we also have no ad breaks ]

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[Creggle]

They're using what happened to their daughter as a way to generate income. People should stop having opinions on them all together tbh, then they'd fade away.

[Niamh.]

Great Post TS

[Kizzy]

Yep there are lots of scenarios that should be given as much thought as that theory for me, with all unsolved cases there's always going to be speculation and conspiracy theories flying about.

[Niamh.]

On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?

There are lots of references to the shutters here Niamh
It clearly implies that the last check was done at 9.15pm, before Kate discovered Madeleine missing at 10.00pm. This fits in with Gerry's check at 9.05pm but would appear to cast doubt on Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 9.30pm.

3) She states how the window shutters which 'had been closed since we arrived on Saturday, were open along with the window'. This makes it even more remarkable that, on 6 separate occasions, members of the group walked past them and didn't see, or register, they were wide open and supposedly damaged. Jane Tanner walked past 3 times, Russell O'Brien walked past twice and Matthew Oldfield allegedly stood in the apartment , at the entrance to the room, and had a 'cursory' look inside. The window, behind the shutter, would almost certainly have needed to be forced or smashed to gain entry - there was no evidence of any forced entry anywhere in the apartment.

4) She states that the window shutters 'can be opened from the outside' but we know this to be incorrect. It is impossible to open the shutters from the outside. The shutters are made from heavy metal and are ratcheted so they can only be opened from the inside the apartment.

5) She continues: 'The door to the room was shut'. This clearly contradicts Kate's later story that the door had been open. Kate stated that she immediately knew there had been an abduction because, as she opened the patio doors, the door slammed shut when the wind whistled through the apartment.

6) She reaffirms the version of events reported in the immediate phone calls to Kate and Gerry's family/friends, that the 'abductor' entered through the window and escaped by the front door. Yet, we are now led to believe that the abductor entered through open patio doors and escaped by the window. How could she get this so wrong when she was actually there?

Ok, so she 'knew' there had been an abduction due to the open window, did the door slamming not disturb the twins?
Why did she then race back around to the bar without the twins to raise the alarm risking them being 'abducted' too?


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

[Niamh.]

Thanks Kizzy