[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I know girls who suck guys off in bus stops so striking up an innocent convo is tame tbh.

Disgusting! Filthy. Outrageous. Shameful. Vile. Immoral......

Er.... You don't happen to have these girls' phone numbers do you StupidHoe? I have several buses to catch next week....

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Disgusting! Filthy. Outrageous. Shameful. Vile. Immoral......

Er.... You don't happen to have these girls' phone numbers do you StupidHoe? I have several buses to catch next week....

you will catch more than a bus

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you will catch more than a bus

I will use protection - I will take Carl Froch and David Haye along.

[Niamh.]

[user104658]

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:




. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[img] http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...4099-gasto.jpg[/im


. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

A godlike post tbh

Have to agree with the hijacking of issues by 'feminists' that aren't much different for men. When you're striving for solidarity and strength in a gender, it isn't the best idea to try and stamp out 'issues' they have that men do to, because it just makes women look weak.

Also, the majority of the stuff in that video is far far far from harassment, with the exception of one or two guys. Most of them were polite and you'd have to have personal issues, male or female, if compliments from strangers in these sort of situations made you feel awkward. I bet the woman in the video was pretty inside from alot of the comments tbh.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[obnoxiously massive picture here]

. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Shaun

He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc

It's about physique, doesn't really matter that he's the villain. The Beast in human form is also square jawed and well built and that's a common theme in Disney "princes" and heroes... Tiny lower body, ridiculously wide shoulders and huge arms, chiselled features and jaw. You're right about comic book heroes but I don't think it's quite as much of a problem (for males or females) when the characters are "superpowered", like Captain America or Wolverine, or Superman at the extreme end. There's a reality disconnect there as they're not "supposed to be normal humans", whereas a lot of these other characters - although being cartoons - are nonetheless still just 'people".

Also, as mentioned above, just take a look at male underwear models / aftershave adverts / clothing catalogues and tell me that men in comparison to women aren't objectified, or that males are handed realistic expectations of what their bodies should look like in order to get the ladies all hot and bothered.

There's a massive double standard here, and it's not to the detriment of women.

I'm a straight white male. As far as the Internet is concerned - I am the Devil incarnate, free game for mocking, accusing and criticising... And woe betide me should I dare (from my apparent positiin of privilege) to complain about it. That's the elephant in the room when it comes to discussing the various "- isms" .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:




. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

..I was just about to post the same, I saw that vid as well and I don't think this is a typical female thing but something that can be experienced by both sexes..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

Spoiler:

. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

Gaston is not the ideal in fact I see him as the modern day 'sted head' thick, arrogant an artificially pumped up narcissist.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gaston is not the ideal in fact I see him as the modern day 'sted head' thick, arrogant an artificially pumped up narcissist.

Gaston is a dick, we can all agree on that, but my point was purely based on the physical distortions of what is actually possible. A lot of people were focussing on the fact that belle's waist in some scenes is smaller than her head and promotes distorted body image. I'm merely pointing out that, in the same way, gaston is indeed roughly the size of a barge, with literally impossible body proportions that promote exactly the same distorted body image for men. Moving away from that - all Disney men are not only well built / ripped (like alladin, smaller, but with washboard abs on display) but usually either impossibly charming or rich to boot.

Take Frozen, for example... Kristoff was widely applauded for being a more "realistic" love interest but, let's face it, the guy is still pretty hench, lugging around ice blocks and rock trolls. Next to Anna, he's still built like a brick ****house.

... I know far too much Disney. Can you tell I have two girls? Haha...

[Crimson Dynamo]

i feel i need to get a perspective from

The Truth

[Brother Leon]

Have a good evening people.

[Ninastar]

this whole experiment has only had such a crazy reaction because people believe EVERYTHING they read on the internet...

"You look nice today, Ms"

SEXUAL HARRASMENT!!! CANT YOU SEE HOW MEN THINK THEY CAN TREAT WOMEN LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP!!??? SOCIETY HATEs WOMEN!!!

Yes, you get the odd creeps who say the strange and weird thing... but that has nothing to do with men thinking they r betta then women...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

this whole experiment has only had such a crazy reaction because people believe EVERYTHING they read on the internet...

"You look nice today, Ms"

SEXUAL HARRASMENT!!! CANT YOU SEE HOW MEN THINK THEY CAN TREAT WOMEN LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP!!??? SOCIETY HATEs WOMEN!!!

Yes, you get the odd creeps who say the strange and weird thing... but that has nothing to do with men thinking they r betta then women...

You are right. It's got nothing to do with men thinking they're better than woman - this, like a lot of other deductions in the article could not be more wrong.

The ‘handshake’ is a universally recognised act of cordiality, friendship, sincerity, and numerous other ‘positives’, and is a custom dating back as far as 6,000 BC.

Despite these positives, however, the origins of the handshake did not originate among ‘friends’ - as would seem logical – but between ‘strangers’.

In ancient times, whenever two strangers approached each other on say, a lonely road, each would do so with paranoia, fear, suspicion that the other may attack. Because of this fear, they would often have hands on swords ready to draw them, and would give each other a wide berth until they’d passed.

Over time, strangers in such a situation began to hold out their right arms – away from their swords to show that they had no harmful intent to draw them. This practice developed into a fleeting handshake as two strangers passed each other, then into the firm deliberate handshakes we use now.

In this crazy, fecked up modern world, strangers are just as paranoid, fearful and suspicious of each other – if not more so. Yes, I know there are pscho’s out there, but it’s not encounters on lonely country lanes where someone could be forgiven for feeling apprehensive, which I’m referring to here – I’m talking about ordinary people in general.

Just watch people of all ages walking past each other on the street – heads down, or staring straight ahead with frowns on their faces. Watch them in bus queues or better still, in crowded doctor’s waiting rooms, where they all sit in self-conscious silence, staring down at the floor, up at the ceiling – anywhere but at each other. Even waiting couples irrationally talk to each other in embarrassed whispers.

Well Kyle is correct. A warm smile, a friendly comment or cheery remark whilst passing strangers is nothing more than an unconscious ‘disarming’ tactic – the modern day equivalent of the ‘open hand, arm away from sword’ ‘I mean you no harm’ gesture of ancient times.

The manner in which different people react to such cordial greetings/comments actually says more about them than the person making these innocuous remarks, because such remarks are often met with ignorant stony silence or even hostile looks.

I will stress again, that I am not referring to the boorish catcalling by yobbo cretins or nut-jack 'stalkers', but to normal innocuous greetings or comments by normal people.

If a normal man tells a passing woman she is beautiful - then I feel she ought to accept the compliment without whipping out her copy of 'Freud's Theories On Psychoanalysis' or suspecting sinister motives. Similarly, if some guy (or woman) starts a conversation with someone in a queue while waiting at a bus stop, it doesn't mean he's a crank.

When a beautiful woman tells me that I'm still devilishly handsome (and they do) I don't suspect ulterior motives....


...............I just pat her guide dog and thank her.

[Northern Monkey]

What Toy Soldier said.He pretty much nailed it.Look at all the aftershave ads with ripped 6 packs everywhere,Women comment on men in the street all the time.It's 'a problem across the board' and 'NOT a femenist issue' as TS said.A human problem not a femenist problem.Imo.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

.A human problem not a femenist problem.Imo.

Aren't they the same thing though? Very few feminists have any sort of agenda other than 'women should be sacred and treated better than men' hence why crap like this is floating around the internet.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Aren't they the same thing though? Very few feminists have any sort of agenda other than 'women should be sacred and treated better than men' hence why crap like this is floating around the internet.

Personally i don't see complementing another person as a problem at all.What i was saying is that if it is a problem then it's a problem that women and men face,Not just women.The femenists who think that it is an issue to be complemented seem to believe that it only happens to women.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Personally i don't see complementing another person as a problem at all.What i was saying is that if it is a problem then it's a problem that women and men face,Not just women.

I know I was agreeing with you

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Creggle

I know I was agreeing with you

[JoshBB]

@Toy Soldier,

feminism
ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

I put emphasis on the equality of sexes. So it would be a feminist issue as well..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

@Toy Soldier,



I put emphasis on the equality of sexes. So it would be a feminist issue as well..

The dictionary definition of feminism and the realities of feminist activism are worlds apart. A huge number of modern feminists, and a large amount of modern feminist activity, is centred around the stereotyping and often vilification of males. This can be either blatant - some feminist movements are proudly proclaiming that women should "rule the world" - or just inherent.

Take the "all about the bass" song, for example. It's hailed as a positive message about body image, a feminist message etc... But then there's this line:

"boys like a little more booty to hold at nightttt"

Err, do we? Do all boys like a little more booty? Who is she to tell us what we do and don't like, exactly? If a man was singing a song and included lines about what all women like / want wouldn't not be considered by many to be arrogantly misogynistic?

There is a double standard in modern feminism that has nothing to do with the dictionary definition, and certainly nothing to do with equality. There is an element (a large element) that is firmly focused on female supremacy, and that element is no better than any patriarchy.

[Vicky.]

Wouldnt say this was harrasment at all tbh. But the guy following her and the 'am i ugly' guy were utter creeps

I noticed a lot of the comments were made BECAUSE she just blanked the original comment too..

[swinearefine]

This thread makes me sad, more outrage @ this sexism please. It was misogynistic harassment, and people thinking it isn't only solidify the misogyny. It has nothing to do even do with the content of the messages, it is the fact that society allows men the belief that they have the right to ogle women in public, that women in public are open to men's views and desires, and that when women react negatively to this uninvited harassment they are bitches. The woman who made this video had closed-off body behavior which should make it clear to anyone with a brain that she isn't in the mood for this ****. And lmao @ people whining about men receiving similar treatment, bull****. People like to make things tit-for-tat, finding a way to turn sexism targeted at women into sexism targeted at men no matter the facts. I walked around the streets of downtown Manhattan for hours and hours (got lost oops) and looked FANTASTIC, like, I really had it going on that day, got zero catcalls from women or gay men. Meanwhile my aging mother in boring work clothes gets catcalled on the reg in a rural town of ~8,000 people when she walks down main street. And whether a catcall is deemed "creepy" or "complimentary," it is all creepy because it's patriarchal objectification of women. And this woman has got rape threats and so much sexist vitriol from this which just proves her point even more.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

This thread makes me sad, more outrage @ this sexism please. It was misogynistic harassment, and people thinking it isn't only solidify the misogyny. It has nothing to do even do with the content of the messages, it is the fact that society allows men the belief that they have the right to ogle women in public, that women in public are open to men's views and desires, and that when women react negatively to this uninvited harassment they are bitches. The woman who made this video had closed-off body behavior which should make it clear to anyone with a brain that she isn't in the mood for this ****. And lmao @ people whining about men receiving similar treatment, bull****. People like to make things tit-for-tat, finding a way to turn sexism targeted at women into sexism targeted at men no matter the facts. I walked around the streets of downtown Manhattan for hours and hours (got lost oops) and looked FANTASTIC, like, I really had it going on that day, got zero catcalls from women or gay men. Meanwhile my aging mother in boring work clothes gets catcalled on the reg in a rural town of ~8,000 people when she walks down main street. And whether a catcall is deemed "creepy" or "complimentary," it is all creepy because it's patriarchal objectification of women. And this woman has got rape threats and so much sexist vitriol from this which just proves her point even more.

If you don't see that women (and the media) also objectify men, and fairly frequently, then you are part of the problem. Not the solution. The question that needs asking is, is it OK for a person - any person - to be objectified without consent. Which set of genitals someone happens to have is, or should be, completely irrelevant. THAT is equality.