[user104658]

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:




. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[img] http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...4099-gasto.jpg[/im


. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

A godlike post tbh

Have to agree with the hijacking of issues by 'feminists' that aren't much different for men. When you're striving for solidarity and strength in a gender, it isn't the best idea to try and stamp out 'issues' they have that men do to, because it just makes women look weak.

Also, the majority of the stuff in that video is far far far from harassment, with the exception of one or two guys. Most of them were polite and you'd have to have personal issues, male or female, if compliments from strangers in these sort of situations made you feel awkward. I bet the woman in the video was pretty inside from alot of the comments tbh.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

[obnoxiously massive picture here]

. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Shaun

He's the villain... in what way is he therefore an ideal for men?

If anything you've chosen the worst possible example since the hero is the Beast, a character designed to be loveable in spite of his appearance I could understand if you pointed out the ridiculous abs&pecs of Batman/Superman/Captain America etc

It's about physique, doesn't really matter that he's the villain. The Beast in human form is also square jawed and well built and that's a common theme in Disney "princes" and heroes... Tiny lower body, ridiculously wide shoulders and huge arms, chiselled features and jaw. You're right about comic book heroes but I don't think it's quite as much of a problem (for males or females) when the characters are "superpowered", like Captain America or Wolverine, or Superman at the extreme end. There's a reality disconnect there as they're not "supposed to be normal humans", whereas a lot of these other characters - although being cartoons - are nonetheless still just 'people".

Also, as mentioned above, just take a look at male underwear models / aftershave adverts / clothing catalogues and tell me that men in comparison to women aren't objectified, or that males are handed realistic expectations of what their bodies should look like in order to get the ladies all hot and bothered.

There's a massive double standard here, and it's not to the detriment of women.

I'm a straight white male. As far as the Internet is concerned - I am the Devil incarnate, free game for mocking, accusing and criticising... And woe betide me should I dare (from my apparent positiin of privilege) to complain about it. That's the elephant in the room when it comes to discussing the various "- isms" .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:




. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

..I was just about to post the same, I saw that vid as well and I don't think this is a typical female thing but something that can be experienced by both sexes..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A male model recreated this video and got just as many comments etc. as the girl in this video did (things like "Hey there, big guy!", "wow, that guys really hot!", one girl chasing after him to ask if "her friend" can have his number.

Is it harrassment? Maybe, but that's a different debate. It is clear, however, that if it is a problem, its a problem across the board and NOT a "feminist issue". Just another issue that's been hijacked.

I mean... The other day I read through an entire feminist article about unrealistic portrayals of the female body in Disney films and how that makes women and girls feel about their normal bodies. This had all the usual "patriarchy", "making women ideal", boohoo nonsense that all of these articles do. Not a mention of men, at all. Furthermore, it focused HEAVILY on Belle in beauty and the beast in her ball gown and her tiny waist.

Ahem...

Gaston, the villain:

Spoiler:

. Yeah... And it's the unrealistic expectations of the female form that are the main problem.

Gaston is not the ideal in fact I see him as the modern day 'sted head' thick, arrogant an artificially pumped up narcissist.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gaston is not the ideal in fact I see him as the modern day 'sted head' thick, arrogant an artificially pumped up narcissist.

Gaston is a dick, we can all agree on that, but my point was purely based on the physical distortions of what is actually possible. A lot of people were focussing on the fact that belle's waist in some scenes is smaller than her head and promotes distorted body image. I'm merely pointing out that, in the same way, gaston is indeed roughly the size of a barge, with literally impossible body proportions that promote exactly the same distorted body image for men. Moving away from that - all Disney men are not only well built / ripped (like alladin, smaller, but with washboard abs on display) but usually either impossibly charming or rich to boot.

Take Frozen, for example... Kristoff was widely applauded for being a more "realistic" love interest but, let's face it, the guy is still pretty hench, lugging around ice blocks and rock trolls. Next to Anna, he's still built like a brick ****house.

... I know far too much Disney. Can you tell I have two girls? Haha...