[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Bingo! The legend has posted. All of the 'omg he is so desperate to escape Sudan he'd even do something like this waa waa' in this thread is AMAZING, thanks for the laughs

He escaped Sudan ages ago, he died in the UK because he wanted what no other EU country is dumb enough to give; housing, money and comfort to loungers.



The point was put across none the less ickle white knight. Not every post needs to be an essay.



HAHAHAHAHAHA



What is it with tibb and nonsensical comparisons? Seeing alot of them recently. An animal being killed for nothing is different from a dude killing himself, it's hard to care. As above had he been killed running from Sudan it would be a sad story, but that wasn't the case. He certainly didn't come to the UK for the beautiful weather.

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To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Stupid, brought it on himself, reckless....maybe but that aside what this man and all the others are willing to risk to escape tyranny and the nightmares they have to endure in their own country make this and others like it a very sad story. We have no idea as we live in a country where we can get mad about a mouse trap and not worry about homicidal regimes knocking at our doors.

A bit of perspective, I feel like this too.

[Nedusa]

Surprised he managed to kill himself falling off a lorry on the M25 , ave speed of 5mph thought he would probably wouldn't have even noticed.. Lol

Still to have made it that far and then fall at the final hurdle must be hard to take..

Quite sad really.




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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Still to have made it that far and then fall at the final hurdle must be hard to take..




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I don't imagine that anything is particularly "hard to take" when your brain is a 100 metre long red and grey smear...

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

It should be treated as such indeed, this topic is hardly something to celebrate but I personally find it difficult to care about every last person to the same degree, to me that isn't healthy. I'd much rather use my energy feeling bad about a story about somebodies wife with cancer for example, than wasting my time allowing an illegal immigrant looking for a free ride off of our countries back to weigh my conscience down.

I feel that the entire 'it's a person therefore it's tragic' mindset is what's allowing so much evil into the world but that's another topic entirely. Sympathizers probably think they are strong for the stances they take on various subjects but in reality they are weak and are to blame for the state society is in.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Creggle

It should be treated as such indeed, this topic is hardly something to celebrate but I personally find it difficult to care about every last person to the same degree, to me that isn't healthy. I'd much rather use my energy feeling bad about a story about somebodies wife with cancer for example, than wasting my time allowing an illegal immigrant looking for a free ride off of our countries back to weigh my conscience down.

I feel that the entire 'it's a person therefore it's tragic' mindset is what's allowing so much evil into the world but that's another topic entirely. Sympathizers probably think they are strong for the stances they take on various subjects but in reality they are weak and are to blame for the state society is in.

Nobody's forcing you to care, if you have no interest in the topic in discussion... However your initial insensitive glib remark was both unwarranted and unnecessary.
I find your opinion almost inhumane if I'm honest, cherie raising the issue of the mousetrap was totally valid here, in fact you maybe didn't intend it but the feeling I get at times is that immigrants are seen as below invasive rats in the country.
The language you've used in your post highlighted prompted my view on this.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Nobody's forcing you to care, if you have no interest in the topic in discussion... However your initial insensitive glib remark was both unwarranted and unnecessary.
I find your opinion almost inhumane if I'm honest, cherie raising the issue of the mousetrap was totally valid here, in fact you maybe didn't intend it but the feeling I get at times is that immigrants are seen as below invasive rats in the country.
The language you've used in your post highlighted prompted my view on this.

It was more of a case of wanting to put my point across but not caring enough to write a paragraph about it tbh, and to me immigrants are not below invasive rats. If you come in legit, do your 9-5 and be a good person then you have the same rights as anyone else here. Not sure where you got an anti-immigrant impression from tbh, though I think we do have an issue of overcrowding in the country, but I'm all for some useless born and bred Brits being tossed out aswell, the entire 'keep Britain British' viewpoint is laughable when you look at what British society is like we need some outside influence if I'm honest.

@inhumane though... maybe... but being 'humane' (a ridiculous word in of itself imo) is in most peoples cases lacking the strength to think or do what needs to be done and it does nothing but enable people to do malicious things because there are no consequence for their actions. Although rats are more important than some people, like terrorists or criminals

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Bingo! The legend has posted. All of the 'omg he is so desperate to escape Sudan he'd even do something like this waa waa' in this thread is AMAZING, thanks for the laughs

HAHAHAHAHA He was so desperate to live that he risked his life trying to get into this country HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Creggle

It was more of a case of wanting to put my point across but not caring enough to write a paragraph about it tbh, and to me immigrants are not below invasive rats. If you come in legit, do your 9-5 and be a good person then you have the same rights as anyone else here. Not sure where you got an anti-immigrant impression from tbh, though I think we do have an issue of overcrowding in the country, but I'm all for some useless born and bred Brits being tossed out aswell, the entire 'keep Britain British' viewpoint is laughable when you look at what British society is like we need some outside influence if I'm honest.

@inhumane though... maybe... but being 'humane' (a ridiculous word in of itself imo) is in most peoples cases lacking the strength to think or do what needs to be done and it does nothing but enable people to do malicious things because there are no consequence for their actions. Although rats are more important than some people, like terrorists or criminals

So you have seemingly inextricably linked illegal immigrants with terrorists and criminals....

Maybe the act if entering a country a country illegally is a criminal act, however we have not much concept as to what drives people to risk life and limb to do this.
If you feel it acceptable to dehumanise them and justify it in your mind that they are nothing more than a worthless drain on resources that's your prerogative, myself as a 'sympathiser' I'm weak and I'm more than happy to be weak.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Chewdolph

HAHAHAHAHA He was so desperate to live that he risked his life trying to get into this country HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is it that though? How many safe countries would he have to come through to get to us? :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

I think the reason its mostly guys is because they come here to work/obtain money to send back home to support their families. Our wages (even on the Ł2 or whatever per hour illegal immigrants get) are really high to them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think the reason its mostly guys is because they come here to work/obtain money to send back home to support their families. Our wages (even on the Ł2 or whatever per hour illegal immigrants get) are really high to them

The ones I see do not look like they are married, they are all young males yet to be married?

[JoshBB]

Thing is, they must be fleeing something horiffic to risk their lives in such a way. All lives matter, rest in peace to this man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JollyBB

Thing is, they must be fleeing something horiffic to risk their lives in such a way. All lives matter, rest in peace to this man.

or just looking to make more, easier money than they can back home

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

So, what, Sudan is actually a paradise and these are just a few young trouble makers? It isn't a country that has been plagued for decades by civil war, poverty and famine?

Young men evidently have a greater opportunity to escape their country than mothers with children or older people do, I'm sure the route from Sudan to France is an absolutely brutal voyage and many get lost along the way that we never hear about. Like Vicky says these men may either be married and hoping to send money back or they may be unmarried and therefore not have as many commitments to anyone back home

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

So, what, Sudan is actually a paradise and these are just a few young trouble makers? It isn't a country that has been plagued for decades by civil war, poverty and famine?

Young men evidently have a greater opportunity to escape their country than mothers with children or older people do, I'm sure the route from Sudan to France is an absolutely brutal voyage and many get lost along the way that we never hear about. Like Vicky says these men may either be married and hoping to send money back or they may be unmarried and therefore not have as many commitments to anyone back home

who is talking about Sudan?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

who is talking about Sudan?

The man was from Sudan

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

The man was from Sudan

That is grand but i was not talking about him specifically but the calais illegals in general.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.

its all good saying that if your not one of them!

we don't get to choose the life country or color we are born into.

many people born is this country are murderers rapists and drug dealers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its all good saying that if your not one of them!

we don't get to choose the life country or color we are born into.

many people born is this country are murderers rapists and drug dealers.

again, that is grand but countries need to control and vet who we let in. there is a reason why the UK is attractive.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

That is grand but i was not talking about him specifically but the calais illegals in general.

Yes Fecking France does Feck All to stop them
if they are illegal France should send them back to the Nation they came from



The UK can not take them Illegals

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

again, that is grand but countries need to control and vet who we let in. there is a reason why the UK is attractive.

what im saying if you where one of them you would be doing the same thing.