[Firewire]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I was referring to this post where you say homophobe and Negro are not the same. My point is that they are if the homophobic comment is aimed at someone NOT GUILTY of saying it. TBH, there is way too much going on this morning for my little head to get things right.

Perez shouldn't have called Ken a homophobe. He was completely trying to turn the situation around and make himself a victim.

Ken calling Alexander "negro" is much worse than the above though. Perez shouldn't have got involved.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

Ken was brought up using it as was I and it seems that the word has been maligned in recent terms as has coloured. The youth of today are well up on these things but our age group are not. In fact till his dying day, my dad used to refer to blacks as Darkies and I was for ever telling him he was wrong but he didn't understand me.

Ken maybe does know and maybe he did use it to create a problem to a fellow nomed but maybe he didn't expect Alex to be upset, who knows. As a test I rang my best mate who is my age and asked him if he thought it was offensive and he said no, my daughter laughed and told me to be careful and my son, who is gay, thought that Perez calling Ken homophobic was far more PC incorrect, so you go figure.

Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations

Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.

But if you click the link for that Negro league it had its last season in 1951..

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But if you click the link for that Negro league it had its last season in 1951..

Ill ring Wikipedia tomorrow and tell them, lol.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.

It doesnt exist and as for you earlier post, the reason whites were not allowed is simply cuz blacks weren't allowe in the Major leagues. But we're talking 40-50 years ago at least as is your MLK reference.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations

Just about to post this. These places have not existed for a few decades .

[johne]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

It's only a matter of time, (a couple of years?), before the term "black" becomes taboo, such is the way with political correctness. I would ask those who want Ken kicked out for using "negro", and appear shocked that he did so, to reflect on the fact that their beliefs and emotions are being manipulated by the thought police.

For what it's worth, I'll agree that one often goes along with political correctness simply because failing to do so upsets those who unconsciously follow it. Ken's sin is that he seems to be intentionally offending everyone, and I agree with those who think he is not a very nice person, but if BB evicted everyone who was not nice they would probably soon run out of contestants.

[Kizzy]

'Negroid (also known as Congoid) is a term that is used by forensic and physical anthropologists to refer to individuals and populations that share certain morphological and skeletal traits that are frequent among most populations in Sub-Saharan Africa.'

I thought it hat something to do with this?


I think Ken is trying to get himself ejected, would he still get his fee if he was?

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think Ken is trying to get himself ejected, would he still get his fee if he was?

This is a good question. I suspect he'd get some agreed upon portion of it, as defined by his contract. I doubt he'd get the full amount, as that would result in more people getting deliberately ejected to get a quick fee.

I think his real aim is to get voted out, not ejected.

[Crimson Dynamo]

get ejected and be branded a sexist racist homophobe?

way to go Ken

[Northern Monkey]

Ken is trying to get kicked.I think in his day negro was a normal word but he knows it can be seen as offensive now.He did'nt just say 'negro' he said 'fat negro' he was being insulting on purpose because he wants out,He said as much earlier in the day.He'll be gone before long.Shame really because i don't want the series to die a death in the second week.

[Vicky.]

I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think

That is a good point.Same as the Jeremy situation.If Chloe had just said 'that's not ok' and left it at that so Jeremy knew where he stood and not touched her robe again then he would never have been kicked(well Perez did'nt help).But you are right that it is partly about how much fuss is made about it.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I was quite surprised he just got a warning. However I feel Emily was kicked out not so much because of what she said, but because Charley made a massive fuss over it for hours afterwards. Both were wrong in saying what they said but the way the receiving person takes it plays a part I think

Good point Vicky.

Alexander handled it in a calm, mature manner.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.

Yes exactly this.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I think BB really base their decision regarding removing a housemate by seeing how the person on the other end of the insulting comment reacts.

If Alexander had become upset and confrontational I have no doubt BB would have removed Ken.

Like with Jeremy I also think if the other housemates didn't act so outraged Jeremy would still be there but they couldn't risk keeping him in when other housemates were upset and saying he should leave.

This basically i reckon Jeremy and Chloe would of sorted it out themeselves the following day but with Perez claiming he is unsafe ( although all housemates said he overreacting) led to his removal

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is no way ken is THAT stupid

"I know I will be racist.."

no

[sampvt]

If truth be known, Ken has very little going for him so to play the panto villain is his gimmick, problem is, he does not have a defined gameplan that is well thought out. He needs to take a step back and re assign his prioritise into a better gameplan. There are voters out there that will follow him for being deliberately disruptive, but the fine line has been crossed and he needs a re think.

[MB.]

Yeah, in regards to the Emily/Ken comparison, people should remember that in most cases, an ejection isn't just a punishment for the person, but it's often to keep the other person safe or comfortable. Alexander seemed fairly fine with Ken's comments, but Chloe seemed quite distressed by what happened and it it might have made her feel uncomfortable if Jeremy'd stayed in. Similar to Charley/Emily.

[GiRTh]

I wasn't surprised Ken wasn't removed but it was more due to Alexanders reaction than anything else. For me when he called Alexander a 'good lad was worse and the pickaniny comment was frankly disgusting. I was shaking my head when he said that but not so much at the Negro comment. T

[sampvt]

There are 2 current ones on here and loads more if you search the word negro for long enough.

http://www.diversitybestpractices.co...-you-need-know

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by sampvt

There are 2 current ones on here and loads more if you search the word negro for long enough.

http://www.diversitybestpractices.co...-you-need-know

But the two you mentioned in your first post were completely in your head? OK I get it now.

[Vicky.]

I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life