[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

hey now I didn't name call you so please show me the same courtesy

Just because you do not agree with my opinion you do not need to try and make me feel worthless!

No need to do a Perez on me, I understand you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perez seems to know how to play the game and test the limits in whatever he does. The problem is that the other housemates are not playing him at the same game.

I firmly believe that if Perez did some of the things he does in the house in the real world he would have gotten a good slap and no one would have blinked. However, in the house he is taking advantage of the no physical violence option meaning the housemates don't have their normal form of response.

The housemates need to find a alternative to violence, if they do, they will soon put Perez in his place.

Him and Nadia out please
on Friday.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Thank you a great post
Im amazed BB hasn't called in Katie for breaking the bunny (BB property)too! All previous BB's HMs would get a stern talking to if they had done anything like that

Yes, well done, I had overlooked that,there are so many 'more' nasty things she has said and done rather than perez just being a wind up merchant as to her.

I agree with Niamh Sue, you have made great posts on this thread, all well said and balanced.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

You cant support one and malign the other, when they are as bad as each other. Cherry picking certain actions to prove a point isn't allowed. He is winding her up, she is reacting and they are both wrong but BB lets it happen and you condone it. That's my point. Get them both in and give them both a final warning and let them go. We will then see the others start to shine. AT THE MOMENT THE OTHERS ARE ONLY THERE TO TAKE UP SPACE.

We will have to agree to disagree on most of that but..will comment on this bit
He is winding her up yes does not mean she has to react the way she does!

[lime]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

You see thats the problem.....nobody could intimadte me nor goad me into threating an act of violence because of some gay guy acting a p%rick........nothing....nobody.When Celebs go into this house they know they have been put into there in the hope of a collisson....if they react badly that is down to them.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes, well done, I had overlooked that,there are so many 'more' nasty things she has said and done rather than perez just being a wind up merchant as to her.

I agree with Niamh Sue, you have made great posts on this thread, all well said and balanced.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

No need to do a Perez on me, I understand you.

[sampvt]

Oh well, never mind, the public will prove me right. Time to agree to disagree, Byeeeeeeeeee

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I suppose this might be where we go back to 'it's ok if katie says it' but HOW DARE anyone else say these things! *sigh*

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

Great post and thank you

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Now I am no expert on the subject and normally I refrain from getting involved in these petty disputes, but it seems to me that Perez has discovered that he cant win by fair means, after last weeks boos, so he is resorting to unfair means which is being okeyd by BB.

Was he not significantly worse before the boos? Before the boos some of his actions were a little out there, the sex act on the window was a little disturbing, but the fact that the most he has done since the boos is stick cheese up his nose nullifies the highlighted segment of your point above. Imo anyway.

Before the boos Perez retaliated after persistent goading from Hopkins and thereafter her close friends/allies in the house. Whilst some of his actions in the house could be deemed as unacceptable, they are understandable and i have no issue with his behaviour towards Hopkins for that reason. He does not have the intelligence to compete with Hopkins on an intellectual level so he is competing by the means of irritation, and it's working.

The only clear sign of bullying in the house has been from Hopkins, the constant pursuit of Perez and the insults she has flung at him time and time again are out of order. Also, her constant need to ridicule and belittle Alicia without any provocation whatsoever is another act of bullying, do you not agree?

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

hmm, i would say Perez bullied Alex without a doubt, he pestered him, taunted him, went to his bed and woke him in the middle of the night, continually followed him making jibes and pulling faces. That is bullying

On another level, he bullied big brother with his i don't feel safe and threatening to walk antics into getting Jeremy and Ken removed

i do change my opinion on this every day though

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The thing is, just about everything written in the ops posts could be about Hopkins.

I'm with you; Perez is not a bully, he's an annoying idiot sometimes, he's an attention seeker and he's loud mouthed childish clown but he's not a bully. He's been a victim of bullying in the house but unlike Alicia, he brought a lot of that on himself. What he hasn't done is intimidate; what he hasn't done is make threats and what he hasn't done is form an allegiance of bullies to gang up on Hopkins and her followers. Whilst Nadia is on his side, she doesn't bully back, she just speaks up for him when Hopkins goes into overdrive.

I'm baffled with the bully badge that has been firmly pinned on Parez by some of the Hopkins followers. I'm not a fan of Parez and I'm not a fan of Hopkins so this is an unbiased view. Of course fans of one or tother will side with the person they like but that's all that's going on in threads like this.

I struggle with this one how people can not see that the behaviour of both Perez and Katie are exactly the same and they are constantly winding ach other up. Both have done some pretty childish things and continue to do so. I could champion neither one of them but the blinkers are definitely on on both camps fans it would seem.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

hmm, i would say Perez bullied Alex without a doubt, he pestered him, taunted him, went to his bed and woke him in the middle of the night, continually followed him making jibes and pulling faces. That is bullying

On another level, he bullied big brother with his i don't feel safe and threatening to walk antics into getting Jeremy and Ken removed

He provoked Alex, he annoyed Alex and he flirted unwarranted attention on Alex but I think if Alex was here now he would tell us all that Parez didn't bully him for the simple fact, you can't bully someone like Alexander O'Neal. He's a tough cookie who got riled and exasperated by Parez's antics but he was not a bullied because to be a bullied you have to be a victim.

His strop with big brother was manipulating waffle. We could say he bullied the BB producers into making decisions to keep him in the house but again, they weren't victims, they were just producers who were put in a position of weighing up the pros and cons to keep the show entertaining.

[lime]

[Ellen]

I dont think either have been bullies. Annoying, antagonistic, childish, wind ups, silly etc etc Yes. Bullies No.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

They did talk about sending him to Coventry. It was KH who said it, and KH immediately started talking to him.

she's a dick..on another issue, I read the first few pages of your poncho Paxton thread in the av forums..hardly stopped laughing since, good work.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I dont think either have been bullies. Annoying, antagonistic, childish, wind ups, silly etc etc Yes. Bullies No.

I'm with you, an easy word to throw about for a reaction. You could argue they are both as bad as each other and equally deserving.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

I'm with you, an easy word to throw about for a reaction. You could argue they are both as bad as each other and equally deserving.

That is my take on it

[Mick]

Not sure either way or case RE bullying but I feel that Kates way is more honest and direct.Perez has no spontaneity imo every single word or action is rehearsed. On the odd occasion when his planned scenario implodes his fall back is to cover his eyes with hands or sun glasses while he quickly regroups.

As a viewer I try to self case and if I was in that house I would want to hit him or at the very least make a serious threat of doing so which of course is exactly what he would wish.I think its possible that Katie still might.

What the other HMs should do is laugh at him try to find everything he does as funny. Difficult yes but I think it might work.I would love to see him complaining to BB and demanding his Lawyer because others where laughing in his face.!

[the truth]

the biggest bully of all is of course Hopkins, Id say her coven of witches michelle and cami aren't far behind