[cfromhx02]

Earlier in the night Cami and two others saw Perez break down in a flood of tears and show he was sorry for his past before the house.

They saw that in the kitchen, and just walked away to leave him on his own,I presume they then will have gone to the bedroom

to tell Michelle & KH about it if only to take the pis*

So pretty sure Michelle and KH will have known the state he was in before they said these things

Forget who the two sc*m were that were with Cami and walked away from him in the kitchen

but of course Keith and KP weren't there

as they would have helped,but pretty sure,like I said that Cami and the others would have told the ars* licker

and KH so they knew the state he was in when they said these r cruel things

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

Earlier in the night Cami and two others saw Perez break down in a flood of tears and show he was sorry for his past before the house.
They saw that in the kitchen, and just walked away to leave him on his own,I presume they then will have gone to the bedroom

to tell Michelle & KH about it if only to take the pis*

So pretty sure Michelle and KH will have known the state he was in before they said these things

Forget who the two sc*m were that were with Cami and walked away from him in the kitchen

but of course Keith and KP weren't there

as they would have helped,but pretty sure,like I said that Cami and the others would have told the ars* licker

and KH so they knew the state he was in when they said these r cruel things

That is not true at all...I just went back to watch that particular scene in the show again and that is nowhere near to what happened. First off Perez was denying that he did anything wrong (far from being sorry for his past behaviour) and it looked like Cami and Kav walked away because they didn't agree with him and did not want to start an argument. Also, where the heck do you get "Cami and two others saw him break down in a flood of tears". They saw nothing of the sort when they walked away because Perez was not crying just then. Honestly, if you like him and want to support him...that is perfectly fair...but don't make stuff up please.

[bots]

i to am a bit concerned, however, we shouldn't forget that the BB producers have a duty of care.

in some ways, i want it to play out, because i want the public to see how far a group will go when they are intolerant of another (for whatever reason). When we say isn't it disgusting that such and such an event happened somewhere in the world, it is that collective group behaviour that causes it.

Those that harassed and ostracized Gary Busey last series didn't come out of it at all well and I have a feeling this one could shape up the same. If Michelle and Katie Price are the strong characters they maintain that they are, then they will sort it out. Its something that a strong willed character could easily resolve.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Stormy

Of course there is negative attitude about Perez from both the houseguests and the fans. Perez has yet to apologize for taunting them and laughing in their faces. It's easy for us to forget what he's done because we're not stuck in a house, cut off from the world with nothing to do but remember it.

He reminds me of a criminal that is not sorry for the crime he committed but sorry that he got caught and must now suffer the consequences.

He is a bit like criminal but we have to remember he hasn't committed a crime.

Btw I answered in another thread but I'll mention here too. I said calling someone a knob who was crying wasn't my idea of funny. This was to the forum poster who thought the tears and name calling in the show were funny, not a claim that Perez was being abused whilst he cried.

[puzzled]

Like Helen, after being horrid, he's going for the "journey" ploy and redemption arc. His tears are as phoney as he is.

[Philanthropite]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Like Helen, after being horrid, he's going for the "journey" ploy and redemption arc. His tears are as phoney as he is.

His tears aren't fake. He cried when Nadia left and cried tonight because he'd obviously drunk a bit too much, which allowed him come out of his shell a bit more. He talked about the situation from a very personal and real point of view and I think he even got Cami's attention when he said that it was more painful than when his father died. I do think for the first time it hit her that he's still a person as well and that people/emotions and personalities are not purely black and white.

I've never bought the whole concept of playing 'the game' so to speak. At the end of the day even if people put up a front or create a different persona they will still naturally slide back into who they are. I think when Katie H cried she was genuine as well because she was so familiar with being hated and slagged off, so the nice comments actually brought her to tears.

Again, anyone that thinks that Perez was acting are just Perez haters in denial.

[Pincho Paxton]

Either he is the greatest actor of all time, or it was real. Either way he gets some reward from me. I either applaud his fantastic acting skills, or I feel sympathy. Both ways he is doing well.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Either he is the greatest actor of all time, or it was real. Either way he gets some reward from me. I either applaud his fantastic acting skills, or I feel sympathy. Both ways he is doing well.

Most narcissists can turn on and off the tears, its not a skill, its a trait if the devious mind.

[Northern Monkey]

No sympathy.He has at some point upset everyone apart from Price.Wtf does he expect after weeks of twatishness.He has'nt even apologised yet and is still being a twat.He is only getting back what he caused.

[rubymoo]

He's coming across as a little boy (when he did the "play" in front of Katie P and Keith he reminded me of a 7 year old!)

I do feel sorry for him, i've always seen him as troubled.

[jennyjuniper]

I don't want to sound harsh, but Perez has brought this down upon himself. If it had been Katy H or Michelle who had gone instead of Nadia, she and Perez would be ruling the roost right now and Perez wouldn't have had to play his 'I am a victim' card.
This guy knows exactly what he is doing and why. You reap what you sow and Perez is certainly reaping right now and all according to plan I have no doubt.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say I don't like either Perez or Hopkins but I did feel sympathy for him at the end of tonight's show. Yes he seemed a little drunk but he's still a human being, though it seems to me a rather broken one. Very uncomfortable scenes at the end of tonights show.

I don't like how gleeful other housemates are over any upset he feels. They are all adults and perhaps its time some of them started to act like it.

It worked then.

Personally I don't buy that being in the CBB house is worse than when his father died.

[waterhog]

he is playing a game - please don't have sympathy for him - hence todays poem of the day on a thread called "now the sympathy card to guarantee the win"

please if you don't read it please understand he is playing the game.

[tormented mind]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to say I don't like either Perez or Hopkins but I did feel sympathy for him at the end of tonight's show. Yes he seemed a little drunk but he's still a human being, though it seems to me a rather broken one. Very uncomfortable scenes at the end of tonights show.

I don't like how gleeful other housemates are over any upset he feels. They are all adults and perhaps its time some of them started to act like it.

I concur.

I really disliked him at the beginning but the way he has been treated both by Big Brother and four of the remaining housemates has actually turned me into rather liking him and if Cami Lee does not walk away as this years winner then I would happily sit back and watch Perez take the title.

[Cherry Christmas]

Won't see the show until weds Jaxie sounds horrible

[thinkingoutloud]

The whole 'sympathy' or 'redemption' angle always tends to happen for the 'villain' of the series at some point and unfortunately a lot of people fall for it every single time. Perez has isolated himself and never done himself any favours, so why should they all suddenly start acting as though nothing has happened when he's been an absolute nightmare to live with just because Nadia has left? If he was intelligent he would have thought all this through and it also proves that he's a liar when it comes to hearing other people's perception of him.

[poppsywoppsy]

I have sympathy as much as the next person.

What I don't have is sympathy for someone who chooses to be continually appalling and offensive and cries when he is rejected.

I save my sympathy for someone who deserves it.

[jaxie]

I don't understand why so many people claim it is fake. Because he is Perez and they don't like him, can't he have feelings? How do we define who deserves our compassion?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't understand why so many people claim it is fake. Because he is Perez and they don't like him, can't he have feelings? How do we define who deserves our compassion?

Because we can watch his lack of empathy over his cruel taunts and actions.

He does not say sorry, or apologize, just revels in trying to stick the knife in further.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because we can watch his lack of empathy over his cruel taunts and actions.

He does not say sorry, or apologize, just revels in trying to stick the knife in further.

He's been an annoying argumentative wind up. So has Hopkins. What has he done exactly to deserve a complete lack of sympathy?

Who did he knife? I must have missed that.

[chuff me dizzy]

How anyone can have sympathy for him after his VILE actions in BB make me lose faith in human nature ,and how anyone is gullible enough to believe his sob story and his slur on his own Father ,makes me feel sick

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How anyone can have sympathy for him after his VILE actions in BB make me lose faith in human nature ,and how anyone is gullible enough to believe his sob story and his slur on his own Father ,makes me feel sick

I could say the same about people who can feel no sympathy for someone in distress. What has he done that is more vile than things your dream girl says? Specifics? I can read the nasty unfunny quotes. Vague references do not make you right.

How can anyone have sympathy? I can. I would have it for you also.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

He's been an annoying argumentative wind up. So has Hopkins. What has he done exactly to deserve a complete lack of sympathy?

Who did he knife? I must have missed that.

When he was warned by BB several times, he didn't apologise he reiterated and added some.

Have you not heard of the saying, Stick the knife in?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

When he was warned by BB several times, he didn't apologise he reiterated and added some.

Have you not heard of the saying, Stick the knife in?

so lack of apology is his worst crime? Is that all you've got?

[Ellen]

With no one to enable his ridiculous behaviour after Nadia got the boot he knew what he had to do, play the sympathy card and the Great British public will fall for it. He has done his research and know's exactly what he is doing. I feel no sympathy towards him and i am certainly not falling for his woe is me act