[Kizzy]

I thought this was funny but it wasn't deliberate political bias in a tabloid, that's the difference for me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can find the wind ups funny too,however I do think when it is virtually non stop it gets tedious and professional press who have any morals or decency should refrain from same so much and inform rather than try to influence.

In all truth, from my interest as to politics, as to the 3 main parties anyway,I can safely say,for me, I have never really liked any of the leaders of them at all,except for Charles Kennedy of the Lib dems and until he kicked me in the teeth for my trust and vote,Nick Clegg.

That is a really funny video by the way Kazanne,you and I don't agree on politics but you do often bring a fresh and lighter approach to proceedings.

I judge on policies,not personalities, I don't care how a leader,or in fact any member of cabinet or shadow cabinet, sounds,looks or what they eat or how they eat it,as long as they do what they say they will, keep their promises in the main and govern with justice, fairness and compassion.

Hi Joey,there will be loads of mudslinging now,i do find that video hilarious and sometimes politics needs to be comical and fun,people have mainly already got an idea on who and why they want to vote a certain way so I try not to get too deeply involved,I do agree with you on some policies ,I just cannot warm to Milliband,same as you with Cameron I would think,but whatever the outcome of any of them you can bet we wont be first in line for many benefits.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

kazanne that was funny as hell.

i'm literally ignoring politics until the general election as it's all mud slinging now

Wait until the campaign officially starts Josh BB.
This, I think, is going to be the dirtiest, least informing and worst ever election for personal attacks.

The media will be obsessed with where UKIP are in the polling,we will get night after night monotonous house of commons projections based on the polling figures.
Another obsession will be in Scotland as to how many seats the SNP will win.

It will be full of,what if,as to this, that and the other as to possible coalitions and the voters will learn next to nothing at all in such a clouded over campaign.

I usually love elections but feel we are going to be lied to left,right and centre in this one, even more than any other.
In the end, whatever else happens, as long as David Cameron and the Conservatives don't get an overall majority and fall well short of one too,that will satisfy me.
Although I hope for Labour to be the largest party myself.

[Kizzy]

The grandstanding, sacchi and sacchi advertising smear campaigns as well as the media slurs have begun.
It's a sad fact this influences a proportion of the electorate, they don't get as far as policies

[empire]

another champagne socialist, who turns his nose at the hard working class people of this country, and he was the one who brought in the green tax, old people and poor families are suffering from fuel poverty, and it is costing we the people, a sum of £500, with rent going up every day of the week, how can we let this man be leader of any party,

[arista]

Originally Posted by empire

another champagne socialist, who turns his nose at the hard working class people of this country, and he was the one who brought in the green tax, old people and poor families are suffering from fuel poverty, and it is costing we the people, a sum of £500, with rent going up every day of the week, how can we let this man be leader of any party,

Well said empire
Toff Ed not for PM

[Mystic Mock]

The Media will always favour the right, if they could they would all be supporting the BNP they're that immoral.

[Mystic Mock]

Just to clear things up I don't mean that all right wing policies are immoral, more the fact that the Newspapers are immoral.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Media will always favour the right, if they could they would all be supporting the BNP they're that immoral.

Some of them certainly would, the vile Sun for instance, that obnoxious rag prints lie after lie as truth and the norm for cetain issues when it isn't even anywhere near the truth in fact..

That is one that definitely would Mock for sure.
How after its proven lies on several issues and its scapegoating of sections of society,how this paper was ever allowed to continue is beyond me.
More to the point, how its organisation had the scandal and rottenness of the News of the World, which was in effect the Sun published on a sunday,that had to close down.
Then be allowed to have another paper, the Sun on sunday published stinks to high heaven.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Some of them certianly would, the vile Sun for instance, that obnoxious rag prints lie after lie as truth and the norm for cetain issues when it isn't even anywhere near the truth in fact..

That is one that definitely would Mock for sure.
How after its proven lies on several issues and its scapegoating of sections of society,how this paper was ever allowed to continue is beyond me.
More to the point, how its organisation had the scandal and rottenness of the News of the World, which was in effect the Sun published on a sunday,that had to close down.
Then be allowed to have another paper, the Sun on sunday published stinks to high heaven.

Agree.... Makes you wonder about the point of saying we have a free press

Fact is we do not, the press is owned by people who in turn are owned and as such have to follow certain Political agendas.

Control the press and you can control the people, if you can feed the public bull**** lies and untruths and get them to believe it then you are in a very strong position, as you can in fact do almost anything ( ie start Wars) and feed the public a pack of lies which the press will disseminate as truth.

It is going to be a tough election campaign for Labour as the odds are slowly being stacked against them.

[Livia]

I can't help wondering how much further Labour would be if David and not Ed had got the job. And can you trust a man who shafted his own brother?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't help wondering how much further Labour would be if David and not Ed had got the job. And can you trust a man who shafted his own brother?

I am not that sure things would be different, you know Livia, and I can see from the past, it is not usually in any way easy really for any party to come back from an election defeat in one go.

In fact post war, I think only Harold Wilson did it after losing in 1970 and then just got to be the largest party in Feb. 1974.

I didn't care for Ed Miliband standing against his brother, however in politics you have to strike when the opportunity arises.
I would hope I would never have taken on one of my Brothers for anything.
However for the chance of a really big job,my Brothers said they would against each other.

Politics is a very ruthless business.

As to David Miliband leading Labour, again he wouldn't have been my choice,neither would Ed have been, between the 2, I agree David may have performed far better.

However,David would have come with the Iraq baggage issue around his neck,going to war there and voting for it.
Ed hasn't that, he wasn't even an MP when that decision was taken.

So I don't know if David would be any nearer to an outright election win than Ed is.
I suspect he would have been but still in a very close race.

[Kizzy]

'David would have come with the Iraq baggage issue around his neck,going to war there and voting for it.
Ed hasn't that, he wasn't even an MP when that decision was taken.'

For me this is why I prefer Ed to David, I don't think anyone could or should have any faith or trust in a Blairite.
If Ed was against his brother on this issue for me that is in his favour for me, and Davis scuttling off after losing instead of supporting his brother speaks volumes.

I for one don't see the issues in green taxes, they made the energy companies comply with a specific set of energy efficiency standards that were accessable to those who were on very low incomes. Insulation and double glazing could be fitted in the poorest homes due to these measures, all parties were at the time behind these measures they now are furiously backpeddling.

'Mr Cameron embraced the environment within weeks of being elected leader in 2005 and, on becoming Prime Minister in 2010, declared that the coalition would be the "greenest government ever".

But since then, Mr Miliband says, the premier has made a "long retreat from the principles in which he once claimed to believe". This has included signing up to the bare minimum required on EU-wide carbon emission reductions of 40 per cent by 2030, deterring investment in renewable energy and wanting to get rid of the "green crap" altogether'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-9908487.html

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'David would have come with the Iraq baggage issue around his neck,going to war there and voting for it.
Ed hasn't that, he wasn't even an MP when that decision was taken.'

For me this is why I prefer Ed to David, I don't think anyone could or should have any faith or trust in a Blairite.
If Ed was against his brother on this issue for me that is in his favour for me, and Davis scuttling off after losing instead of supporting his brother speaks volumes.

I for one don't see the issues in green taxes, they made the energy companies comply with a specific set of energy efficiency standards that were accessable to those who were on very low incomes. Insulation and double glazing could be fitted in the poorest homes due to these measures, all parties were at the time behind these measures they now are furiously backpeddling.

'Mr Cameron embraced the environment within weeks of being elected leader in 2005 and, on becoming Prime Minister in 2010, declared that the coalition would be the "greenest government ever".

But since then, Mr Miliband says, the premier has made a "long retreat from the principles in which he once claimed to believe". This has included signing up to the bare minimum required on EU-wide carbon emission reductions of 40 per cent by 2030, deterring investment in renewable energy and wanting to get rid of the "green crap" altogether'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-9908487.html

Yes, that is the thing that sets Ed Miliband apart as to Iraq, I also think, Ed wouldn't have agreed with the decision either to go to war,had he even been an MP then.

David Miliband who was a Foreign Secretary in the Labour govt; would have been constantly questioned as to his role in that,had he got the Labour leadership.
Even moreso with this Iraq enquiry taking so long to be published.
he would probably, had he been leader, even been accused of arm twisting to delay it.

Good post again Kizzy as to the rest you say in your post, and really strong valid points too.