[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I disagree with having the SNP & PC on there really, considering they are not UK-wide however it is always nice to have some different perspectives.

Go Tell Ofcom and the Broadcasters
its their CLEVER idea of 7


Fecking BBC

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I disagree with having the SNP & PC on there really, considering they are not UK-wide however it is always nice to have some different perspectives.

I guess the reality is only 2 possibly 3 party's have a realistic chance of getting into power albeit with a coalition or part of a coalition, the others have no real influence as they only have a handful of MP's

That being said though I would wager the SNP's will have quite a few MP's and should be taken very seriously this time.

[arista]

From todays Daily Politics
Fact Tony Blair Refused to have a Debate
with John Major as at that time Major was ahead in the Polls.


So at least this PM has said yes to the one debate
now if the Stupid BBC do not says yes
then its FECKED

[Kizzy]

I respect You Kizzy

Funny way of showing it

[joeysteele]

He is scared of the debates, even moreso with all the others in them too.
He likely hoped by saying the Greens should be there that the debates would be dropped if he wouldn't take part.
Also hoping it would nevr be agreed for the Greens to take part.

Then the Greens are allowed and he finds any other excuse to wriggle and squirm his way out of them.

He is a shambles and he lied in the last debates and I think he knows full well he will be lying to the voters in these too,also that with so many others there in the debates, the accusation he is lying will carry much more weight.

Actually,if this was Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg going on like this and setting down conditions for them to take part, the press and media would be crucifying them on a daily basis.

David Cameron says he will take part in only one debate, he should put himself forward with no conditions whatsoever as to every debate,and submit himself to full public scrutiny of what he says and plans to do.
The very fact he won't means clearly to me, there are things he is probably trying to hide as to his real intentions in govt:

What a shambles and what a whining, snivelling pathetic coward he is coming across as too.

Give this man an overall majority and a massive blank cheque, no way, kick the procrastinating crybaby out.

[arista]

"He is scared of the debates"

Bollocks

he did them and Won Power


Blair was scared of Debates,

The PM has given the OK for 1 Debate this month
with the 7 only

FACT

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"He is scared of the debates"

Bollocks

he did them and Won Power


Blair was scared of Debates,

The PM has given the OK for 1 Debate this month
with the 7 only

FACT

he should do them all as he did when opposition leader and when he then called for these debates too at that time in 2010, 'during the election campaign then too'.

He didn't win power either, he was cautiously put in the position by the voters to be able to be in govt; but only with another party only,not solely himself and his party.

He actually failed by a good margin to actually win power,falling nearly 20 seats of an overall majority.

Had the Lib Dems not agreed to a full coalition, the Conservatives would not have been in power at all and likely voted down as a minority at the very first opportunity by the anti Conservative elements in the House of Commons.

He came out leading as to the last election but did not win it.

[arista]

Joey its not up to you
in 5 years so much has changed

The PM calls the shots

As Ofcom Fecked up

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey its not up to you
in 5 years so much has changed

The PM calls the shots

As Ofcom Fecked up

It shouldn't be up to him either, he is a public servant, he should be doing their will and I would bet the vast majority of those who are interested in these debates, will see him for the coward he is being.

Every other leader of every other party, save the DUP,has agreed to all that has been set out, only he is wriggling and squirming trying to justify not doing all, most or at best only the barest minimum as to the debates.

If this was Miliband going on like this, you would be calling him all the names under the sun too,and you would be right to.

Just as I am too as to this totally useless and sad excuse for a PM.

[arista]

Feck Me Joey


Blair Refused it - And Got Away with it


Its the PM
Respect him

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Feck Me Joey


Blair Refused it - And Got Away with it


Its the PM
Respect him

Respect has to be earned arista,really nothing this PM has done in govt; and also for lying as to the NHS re-organisation in 2010,does not do a single thing to earn and warrant my respect.
I have not the slightest bit of respect for him and I actually think he has actually tainted the office of Prime Minister too,during his time as one.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Respect has to be earned arista,really nothing this PM has done in govt; and also for lying as to the NHS re-organisation in 2010,does not do a single thing to earn and warrant my respect.
I have not the slightest bit of respect for him and I actually think he has actually tainted the office of Prime Minister too,during his time as one.

But due to Gordon Browns PPi Debts in hospital
he had no other way.


Anyway you stick with your Ed

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But due to Gordon Browns Debts in hospital
he had no other way.


Anyway you stick with your Ed

I will stick with Ed, I believe he is more a man of his word unlike this current PM.

[Tom4784]

I like the idea of all the major parties getting representation but I do agree that Cameron's using it as an excuse not to do it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I like the idea of all the major parties getting representation but I do agree that Cameron's using it as an excuse not to do it.

Dezzy You Are Most Wise

[billy123]

Camerons debate dodging tactics are harming his chances almost as much as a bad performance at the debates.
I hope they go ahead without him he will get slaughtered for it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Camerons debate dodging tactics are harming his chances almost as much as a bad performance at the debates.
I hope they go ahead without him he will get slaughtered for it.

But who would do that
Bloated BBC?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Camerons debate dodging tactics are harming his chances almost as much as a bad performance at the debates.
I hope they go ahead without him he will get slaughtered for it.

I hope they do too,like you I believe he would be slaughtered for it and rightly so.

[empire]

nigel farage made nick clegg look like a silly little school boy, he should be there to, we all love an eccentric new statesman, on debates.

[joeysteele]

Also what is all this nonsense from David Cameron as to wanting the debates before the campaign really is officially started.

Normally, any party's manifesto is only released at the start of the eelction campaign, how can you have election debates before a manifesto is released and the plans laid out for the voters to see and digest.

What is he so worried about that people may be able to read as to between the lines of the Conservative manifesto.
Everything he comes up with just looks like cowardice and a hope he holds that in fact these debates will just go away.
I am stunned he is not jumping at the opportunity to debate head to head with Ed Miliband.
What on earth is David Cameron so worried as to what he could trip up on or be tripped up on.

He is hot on saying as to crime and internet control that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Debating is essential in any politician's life, so if he has nothing to hide, then he should have nothing to fear from these debates,no matter how many debates there are and also no matter who they are with.

Clearly in truth, he likely sees Ed Miliband as far more formidable as to performing in these debates than he thought of Gordon Brown, since he is running absolutely terrified of them it seems.

[Kizzy]

True, did you hear him in PMQs?... 'are you stood on a box?' that was weak, in televised debate Ed will eat him alive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

True, did you hear him in PMQs?... 'are you stood on a box?' that was weak, in televised debate Ed will eat him alive.

I totally agree again Kizzy.
I have always thought,because I know that Ed Miliband is a good strategist,that come the actual election campaign,he would shine far more and get the message home easier than his performances so far.

You mention PMQs. this week, immigration is far and away not the best topic for Labour,yet he went on it and asked David Cameron as to his promise to cut immigration to tens of thousands.

David Cameron was extremely uncomfortable and went off on a tangent into all other issues while never addressing that point whatsoever.
Without his baying crowd behind him, David Cameron is a poor excuse for a good debater and more to the point a convincing one.

That is how in the leaders debates in 2010, he in fact went down as to the polling and in the end failed to convince enough to secure an overall majority.
There was no doubt,to be fair to him, Nick Clegg performed the best in all those debates.

I really do have the feeling that Ed Miliband has kept his best powder dry until the campaign kicks off good and proper.
While it is true,some of the press and media will not report enough or correctly the Labour message,these leaders debates will have people watching and things cannot be misconstrued and amended, while you are actually seeing the person 'actually' say the words they are.

I think, David Cameron is aware of Ed Milibands prowess as to being a strategist.
As was pointed out on here before,Ed Miliband entered the Labour leadership race late on but came through to take it,even over his far more popular at the time Brother.

If there had been one debate I would have thought really ought to take place, it would have been one between David Cameron and Ed Miliband,especially since the media and the press are harping on about the singular choice of one or the other fof these 2 as PM.

One is then left begging the question, if David Cameron really has no fear of Ed Miliband winning the argument with the voters,why on earth then is he ruling out completely a head to head with him.

For me, that speaks volumes.
Quite frankly, love or hate him, I think Ed Miliband would be able to wipe the floor with David Cameron in such a debate, since factually Ed Miliband has thus far told no lies to the electorate, while David Cameron has an ever growing list of them to be challenged on.

[Kizzy]

'Ed Miliband has kept his best powder dry' I love that analogy
All you say is bang on Joey, this is where the two as top politicians should be pretty level you would have thought, but as you say this is Millibands forte... he may not be the best at sandwich munching or beer swilling but he knows his job and that's thE most important quality in a PM.

[Nedusa]

But David Cameron is the incumbent and he knows he has more to lose than to win in any debate so he will have only one short debate with 6 other Party's and nothing of any substance will be debated.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

But David Cameron is the incumbent and he knows he has more to lose than to win in any debate so he will have only one short debate with 6 other Party's and nothing of any substance will be debated.

I agree, which is what he wants of course, to be able to hide any controversial policies, and avoid too much in depth scrutiny as to what he will be saying with far more leaders present.
He even, as I said before, wants the debate held before the election campaign even starts, so he doesn't even want to discuss the content of his manifesto either.

What is the point of that,what does he want to keep hidden from the voters, what will be this election's hidden agenda from him and his party.