[Kazanne]

Bastard,I HATE people like that,no excuse for such cruelty,I hope that dogs barking haunts him for the rest of his life,the twunt.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bastard,I HATE people like that,no excuse for such cruelty,I hope that dogs barking haunts him for the rest of his life,the twunt.

You took the words right out my mouth,excellently put.

How he escaped greater punishment for not only killing the dog but then trying to pervert the cause of justice by covering the deed up and also removing the microchip too,is completely beyond me.

I'd rather have a barking dog than the likes of him anywhere near me any day of the week.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You took the words right out my mouth,excellently put.

How he escaped greater punishment for not only killing the dog but then trying to pervert the cause of justice by covering the deed up and also removing the microchip too,is completely beyond me.

I'd rather have a barking dog than the likes of him anywhere near me any day of the week.

If he'de have done that to my dog Joey,I'de have been in jail,why do these judges give such light sentences for cruelty to animals ,it will never deter people ,I was angry just reading about that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If he'de have done that to my dog Joey,I'de have been in jail,why do these judges give such light sentences for cruelty to animals ,it will never deter people ,I was angry just reading about that.

Maybe the Judge was a cat lover, that may sound ridiculous but it is amazing at times as to what mood Judge or even Magistrates are in on the day as to sentencing, despite the guidelines,and also their own preferences.

The killing of the dog was bad enough in itself, the after events make this a very calculated act and make the crime even more serious.
He would be away for me,just as he clearly would for you too.

He clearly tried to cover up the horrific act too.
For those things alone he should have had the book thrown at him.
Owners of dogs can now face prison if their dog attacks someone, the same should apply to anyone attacking and murdering someone's dog.
Especially in this case.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Maybe the Judge was a cat lover, that may sound ridiculous but it is amazing at times as to what mood Judge or even Magistrates are in on the day as to sentencing, despite the guidelines,and also their own preferences.

The killing of the dog was bad enough in itself, the after events make this a very calculated act and make the crime even more serious.
He would be away for me,just as he clearly would for you too.

He clearly tried to cover up the horrific act too.
For those things alone he should have had the book thrown at him.
Owners of dogs can now face prison if their dog attacks someone, the same should apply to anyone attacking and murdering someone's dog.
Especially in this case.

[smudgie]

For me, the bigger issue here is, how the hell can he be found fit to fly a plane again.
Firstly he has already had one heart attack, secondly he obviously can't cope with stress and thirdly he is barbaric enough to drown that poor dog and then cut it open.
Anybody going to form a queue for a free plane ride to hell?

Yes, barking dogs can drive you crackers, so you knock on the neighours door and ask them to do something about it, if it still barks all the time you then pick up the phone and call the authorities.
Oh, and a border terrier makes more noise than a big dog, much higher pitched and very persistant, never gives up. The owners are partly to blame, for the noise at least.

[Suze]

I live next door to a someone who moved in nearly two years ago now, their dog barked and whined practically non stop all day when she was out, she doesn't appear to have the dog now, just two new dogs that she leaves alone to bark, it is irritating, however, never once did I ever think of taking the law into my own hands and killing the poor thing/s, rather the owners than the poor dog/s.

There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that evil bloke's excuse for killing that dog, no matter what way you look at it or any legalities he thought he might have. He is just an evil, callous, sod who saw an excuse for torturing and killing that dog, fact shown by the way he felt the need to dispose of the microchip from it. I hope Karma hits him big time.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Suze

I live next door to a someone who moved in nearly two years ago now, their dog barked and whined practically non stop all day when she was out, she doesn't appear to have the dog now, just two new dogs that she leaves alone to bark, it is irritating, however, never once did I ever think of taking the law into my own hands and killing the poor thing/s, rather the owners than the poor dog/s.

There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that evil bloke's excuse for killing that dog, no matter what way you look at it or any legalities he thought he might have. He is just an evil, callous, sod who saw an excuse for torturing and killing that dog, fact shown by the way he felt the need to dispose of the microchip from it. I hope Karma hits him big time.

Well said Suze

[Liam-]

And yet there are people going to prison for not paying bills.
If I was his neighbour and he killed my dog, he'd have to move or I'd happily make his life a living hell.

[Z]

I wonder how long he'd been living next door to them and if he knew the context of why they had the dog? The girl died in 2008 from reading the OP so I just wonder if he had only recently moved in next door and just couldn't handle the yapping dog and was unaware of the back story? Not that it's particularly relevant, if you're capable of drowning a dog and cutting it open to remove its microchip, you're hardly going to stop and think about it if there's a sob story behind why they have the dog, but still... he should be doing time for this and this is exactly the kind of state of mental health that shouldn't be allowed to fly a plane.

[Kazanne]

Sentences are far too lenient with regards to cruelty to animals , the law should come down on them hard as at the moment there is no deterrent , just a slap on the wrist . We have a family by us who leave their dog alone in the day and it makes hell of a row,we are not angry with the dog,just the owners!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sentences are far too lenient with regards to cruelty to animals , the law should come down on them hard as at the moment there is no deterrent , just a slap on the wrist . We have a family by us who leave their dog alone in the day and it makes hell of a row,we are not angry with the dog,just the owners!

Pigs keeping dogs.

[arista]

"The owners are partly to blame, for the noise at least. "

Bang On Right smudgie

[user104658]

I love dogs but I have to be totally honest here and say that I think that people can be totally over the top with sentiment when it comes to pets. The man clearly has some sort of anger issues and snapped - and of course that shouldn't slide, it should be addressed - but I'm sorry, it doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make his actions unfathomable. If the noise really was that incessant, and he was suffering from some other sort of stress at the time... People snap. They just do. And - to be blunt - a dog is not a human. It doesn't mean he would have or could have harmed a human. Most people are instinctively driven to not harm other humans for petty reasons like this but the same simply does not apply to an animal.

I'm not sure that I agree that he should be psychiatrically cleared so soon as like I said there is clearly some sort of control issue and he should be receiving mandatory treatment for that. But jail...? Not so sure it's appropriate.

Also - I'm going to come right out and say it - if the dog was Barking enough and for such a prolonged period of time that it drove someone to drown it, then it was being neglected by its owners. There's no two ways about it. And there isn't really any excuse for it either. Their beloved dog that made them feel so connected to their late daughter that they left it distressed and barking for hours on end? Hmmmmm OK then.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I love dogs but I have to be totally honest here and say that I think that people can be totally over the top with sentiment when it comes to pets. The man clearly has some sort of anger issues and snapped - and of course that shouldn't slide, it should be addressed - but I'm sorry, it doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make his actions unfathomable. If the noise really was that incessant, and he was suffering from some other sort of stress at the time... People snap. They just do. And - to be blunt - a dog is not a human. It doesn't mean he would have or could have harmed a human. Most people are instinctively driven to not harm other humans for petty reasons like this but the same simply does not apply to an animal.

I'm not sure that I agree that he should be psychiatrically cleared so soon as like I said there is clearly some sort of control issue and he should be receiving mandatory treatment for that. But jail...? Not so sure it's appropriate.

Also - I'm going to come right out and say it - if the dog was Barking enough and for such a prolonged period of time that it drove someone to drown it, then it was being neglected by its owners. There's no two ways about it. And there isn't really any excuse for it either. Their beloved dog that made them feel so connected to their late daughter that they left it distressed and barking for hours on end? Hmmmmm OK then.

I disagree I believe behaviour like this could be a precursor to more unpredictable violent behaviour. Being a pilot I wouldn't say this bodes well, if the guy is oversensitive and irrational.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I disagree I believe behaviour like this could be a precursor to more unpredictable violent behaviour. Being a pilot I wouldn't say this bodes well, if the guy is oversensitive and irrational.

I couldn't put it better.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I disagree I believe behaviour like this could be a precursor to more unpredictable violent behaviour. Being a pilot I wouldn't say this bodes well, if the guy is oversensitive and irrational.

It could be which is exactly why the correct course of action is to have him being assessed psychologically on an ongoing basis, and not plonked amongst violent criminals in prison.

If he isn't on the way to more unpredictable violent behaviour then prison is the wrong course of action. If he IS potentially on the way to becoming a violent criminal, then the surest way of turning him into one immediately is to put him in prison.

Let's be realistic. He was never going to be locked away forever for this. A few years at an ABSOLUTE maximum. And then what? Then you have someone with violent anger problems who has spent the last couple of years living amongst hardened criminals. It's just... A really bad idea.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It could be which is exactly why the correct course of action is to have him being assessed psychologically on an ongoing basis, and not plonked amongst violent criminals in prison.

If he isn't on the way to more unpredictable violent behaviour then prison is the wrong course of action. If he IS potentially on the way to becoming a violent criminal, then the surest way of turning him into one immediately is to put him in prison.

Let's be realistic. He was never going to be locked away forever for this. A few years at an ABSOLUTE maximum. And then what? Then you have someone with violent anger problems who has spent the last couple of years living amongst hardened criminals. It's just... A really bad idea.

When did I say I wanted him to go to prison? I don't however think he's fit for work.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When did I say I wanted him to go to prison? I don't however think he's fit for work.

I agree but I already said as much as part of my first post on this

I'm not sure that I agree that he should be psychiatrically cleared so soon as like I said there is clearly some sort of control issue and he should be receiving mandatory treatment for that. But jail...? Not so sure it's appropriate.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I love dogs but I have to be totally honest here and say that I think that people can be totally over the top with sentiment when it comes to pets. The man clearly has some sort of anger issues and snapped - and of course that shouldn't slide, it should be addressed - but I'm sorry, it doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make his actions unfathomable. If the noise really was that incessant, and he was suffering from some other sort of stress at the time... People snap. They just do. And - to be blunt - a dog is not a human. It doesn't mean he would have or could have harmed a human. Most people are instinctively driven to not harm other humans for petty reasons like this but the same simply does not apply to an animal.

I'm not sure that I agree that he should be psychiatrically cleared so soon as like I said there is clearly some sort of control issue and he should be receiving mandatory treatment for that. But jail...? Not so sure it's appropriate.

Also - I'm going to come right out and say it - if the dog was Barking enough and for such a prolonged period of time that it drove someone to drown it, then it was being neglected by its owners. There's no two ways about it. And there isn't really any excuse for it either. Their beloved dog that made them feel so connected to their late daughter that they left it distressed and barking for hours on end? Hmmmmm OK then.

If you really feel that it's his actions weren't unfathomable then you don't "love dogs". A dog's life is just as important as a humans life, to me anyway.

I think i'm gonna have to stay away from this thread lol because it's actually pissing me off.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dollface

If you really feel that it's his actions weren't unfathomable then you don't "love dogs". A dog's life is just as important as a humans life, to me anyway.

I think i'm gonna have to stay away from this thread lol because it's actually pissing me off.

If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath.

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

I didn't even notice that, where the hell did that question even come from lmao.

I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

A dog's life is not "just as important" as a human life and no one would realistically trade a dog's life for a human's. Someone might - if they were being massively selfish - trade an unknown human life for their own beloved pet but no one, literally no one, in their right mind would see an unknown dog and an unknown human about to die and choose to save the dog. Because a dog's life is less important. People don't like admitting that because they are sentimental. People are more upset by stories about dogs in the press than stories about people for the same reason.

And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted.

No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse....

Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath.

A child? I honestly couldn't answer that. Don't think I could live with myself if i was the reason a child lost it's life, but equally i couldn't live with myself if i'd let my dog die.

I'd trade the life of a human adult (that i don't personally know) though. I'm certainly not a liar so if that makes me a sociopath then i'd happily take that label

Upon reflection, said human adult could be a mother or a father, don't think i could do that to someones family. I don't really know where your question came from but i can't give a proper answer because i've never been in a situation where i've had to choose (nor do i ever want to be), so i don't know what i'd do, i'd probably kill myself so i didn't have to make the decision.