[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

As Josy says, people are making up rules that don't exist on the BB site. At a minimum this thread is a little premature as we haven't yet heard the details of the twist, they will be shared tomorrow at which time it may all become clear.

BB manipulate, thats how it is, thats how its always been, I think people have short memories

No, it is not how it has always been. This level of manipulation is a relatively recent thing (though you can find the odd example here and there on Channel 4). Indeed, it has never been as blatant as it is now.

Again, supposed Big Brother fans defending this crap that is putting viewers off. So they get away with it again and again until there are no viewers left.

[Absorption]

The 'BB can change the rules at any time' thing originally seemed to apply to what went on within the house rather than what affected the viewers/voters.

I think the first time that changed was when they put Nicki Graham back in as a 'proper' housemate (ie still eligible to win) after people had spent money voting to evict her. Davina kept quoting 'BB can change the rules at any time' and basically telling us to stop whinging but that was when the programme 'jumped the shark', so to speak. It was the first blatant manipulation outside the original parameters and done for the sake of viewing figures, of course. Downhill ever since then..!

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Absorption

The 'BB can change the rules at any time' thing originally seemed to apply to what went on within the house rather than what affected the viewers/voters.

I think the first time that changed was when they put Nicki Graham back in as a 'proper' housemate (ie still eligible to win) after people had spent money voting to evict her. Davina kept quoting 'BB can change the rules at any time' and basically telling us to stop whinging but that was when the programme 'jumped the shark', so to speak. It was the first blatant manipulation outside the original parameters and done for the sake of viewing figures, of course. Downhill ever since then..!

It wasn't the first. It was just the one that people remember the most. BB6 featured a blatant piece of manipulation when Kemal, Anthony and Craig were supposedly up. They waited to see which group did nominate and which group did not and which ever one Vanessa was in would be the one who were really nominated. Unfortunately for them Makosi was more unpopular then Vanessa, so they then added another twist where the two with the most votes would face a HM vote. This led to Vanessa being evicted over Makosi, which is what they were going for all along.

[Jamesy]

It's true they can change things as they please. Although in this case on this series on this day it is unnecessary to have that many housemates up for eviction.

Although as bitontheslide says, when this twist is revealed maybe it will be clear why so many people are up this week.

[Josy]

I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.

But that's another issue people have with this show... They used to inform the viewers of the twists/tasks before they had even announced anyhting to the housemates. Now though they wait to see how things play out and make it up afterwards. This is a terrible way to go about things and it alienates and confuses the fans of the show.

It feels like the viewers are being played for fools as much as the housemates these days.

[bots]

I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.

Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so. People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.

What are you on about? Who cares if it is the same production company? It was still better when it was on Channel 4. And who the executive producer is changes throughout the years. Whoever those people have been the last few years have been useless.

Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so.

No one is disputing that. But the changes being made are ridiculous and offputting and damn near fraudulent.

People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.

And we are free to be critical of it. That is how people improve... When others are critical of them. Especially a programme that is supposed to be interactive and involves the viewers in things like voting.

[mrflibble]

I'm getting sick of the nominations in Big Brother. Last year I started watching the older series of BB (working backwards), and oh god there is nothing better than just plain old private nominations. I hate face to face, I hate them seeing the nominations, I hate stupid nomination twists. Jesus christ it sucks balls. I'll still keep watching BB coz it's a nice timewaster, but it's seriously making me want to stop and I only started watching the show last year!

[GLENN BILL BB7]

So they can make more money to put towards making secret rooms and paying for the housemates families trips to the house so they can nominate for them LOL

But seriously they're trying to keep in the bigger characters, Which makes no sense considering all 6 of them are big characters.

[the_answers]

Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?

If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?

You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.

If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?

I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?

If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?

You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.

If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?

I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.

This thread is about the producers changing the rules of who is up. Not about the reasons given. Last week the people with the most votes were up, this week whoever has 2 nominations or more is now up. It is the viewers who are left in the dark in all this mess. Once again the producers find a way of trampling on the format, the housemates and the viewers.

Even if there is a twist, it should have been announced what that twist was before. And why couldn't it be done with the top 4 people who received the most nominations?

[Amy Jade]

They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money

Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week. As I said... In BB14 it was going to be Callum vs. Dexter vs. Gina and all 3 of them were bringing a certain amount of drama. Jackie Travers was on 2 nominations and she was bringing nothing to the show so they changed the rule to anyone with 2 nominations is up specifically to get her out that week.

Them wanting a certain result and feeling they can do what they want to get it was always going to lead to what we saw last year which was Marlon and Danielle getting evicted without any public vote. And it will keep leading to the prods taking the piss. The week following Danielle being evicted, Ashleigh is voted power housemate and given immunity, and then she gets put up for eviction anyway.

The fact people just say "It's their show they can do what they want" in response is typical of viewers today. They could never get away with something so blatant back when it was watched by a lot of people who actually gave a ****.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week.

Don't think they would.
It would kill the whole dynamic of the house in terms of pacts and alliances.

HMs can't talk about noms.
But they can influence others to be on their side, in their group or to think badly of others so others put them up.

I agree I don't like evicting HMs without a public vote though.

[Dash Darington]

Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.

Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....

What? They wait to see how the housemates nominate and then they make the rules up afterwards. How is that not rigging the show?

[the_answers]

If you mean me Dash, not at all.
I couldn't care less, just think it's much ado about nothing.

Guess it's probably like Amy Jade says.

Just don't get the problem with these rules.
I thought the rules were the rules could change ?

Course people may not like the format (and I don't either tbh).

But on THIS occasion can't see Nick or Christian going anyway and guess it won't make any difference.
We'll see what happens though.

[Will.]

I love the idea of a person getting voted into a secret house with new HM

[Beetlejuice]

Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Because I don't.

[bots]

It annoyed me that they said we would find out in last nights hl show, then on BOTS and now its tonight ... I don't mind a twist but if they are going to do one they should at least stick to their declared schedule. I refuse point blank to watch BOTS these days and I won't be manipulated into watching it by these tactics