[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Whether Joel is gay or straight, likes to mess around in women's clothes or not does not justify Aaron harassing him with no clothes on.

Parading around in daft clothes =/= rubbing your genitals on another person.

Harassing him is just an interpretation that you have placed on it.

It was a bit of drunken banter between Joel and Aaron, that joel was fully involved in, to the point of throwing pillows at aaron and chasing him to kick him.

If someone is sexually attacking you then you move away, you don't move towards them and laugh while throwing pillows.

[Tom4784]

What does Joel being camp have to do with Aaron being ejected for sexual misconduct? If Joel was gay it wouldn't make what Aaron did acceptable.

Sarah was being a hateful bint.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What does Joel being camp have to do with Aaron being ejected for sexual misconduct? If Joel was gay it wouldn't make what Aaron did acceptable.

Sarah was being a hateful bint.

Absolutely agree, it really put off Sarah & I'm glad she has gone

[lily.]

yawn.... this argument goes round in circles..

A man with a glass eye could see that Joel was not enjoying what Aaron was doing.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by lily.

yawn.... this argument goes round in circles..

A man with a glass eye could see that Joel was not enjoying what Aaron was doing.

Do you laugh while not enjoying things?

If a man was sexually assaulting you in the BB house, what would you do?

I can only speak for me but I would be getting away from him whilst shouting at him to **** off, and going to BB to complain.

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by lily.

yawn.... this argument goes round in circles..

A man with a glass eye could see that Joel was not enjoying what Aaron was doing.

I think its a good time to invest in specsavers as there seems to be a lot of people requiring their services

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by RockBottom

I think its a good time to invest in specsavers as there seems to be a lot of people requiring their services

It's probably better to invest in personal injury lawyers, with all the serious sexual assaults taking place between drunken friends.

[Visage]

While the choice of clothes wasn't to my taste I looked it from two angles.

Was Joel trying to bring some fun back after what had happened?

Did Eileen & Joel think dressing like that would make him look like a rock star?

Does Steven Tyler wear leopard skin leggings, do any rockers dress like Eileen dressed Joel ? I think they do.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Visage

While the choice of clothes wasn't to my taste I looked it from two angles.

Was Joel trying to bring some fun back after what had happened?

Did Eileen & Joel think dressing like that would make him look like a rock star?

Does Steven Tyler wear leopard skin leggings, do any rockers dress like Eileen dressed Joel ? I think they do.

Hey great to see you back Visage.

I agree with all the above post.
There is a massive difference between a bit of fun,as this was with Joel and Eileen,as opposed to continuous harassment as was the case with Aaron towards Joel.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

He was trying to get Eileen to take her clothes off so he could get her thrown out.

....I love you...

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think Joel genuinely felt uncomfortable with Aaron's unacceptable behaviour. Aaron went too far... But maybe Joel's dressing up in women's clothing and strutting around gave Aaron the impression that he could fool around the way he did.... And that Joel would just see it as a laugh...
Joel didn't know how to handle it...perhaps if he had told Aaron to **** off enough is enough...maybe Aaron would have stopped. However I don't think it is in Joel's nature to be forthright in that way. He seems to be quite diplomatic...but if he wants to be taken seriously he should IMO be more aware of how his behaviour can be construed.

..is that though not like saying that if someone dresses in a particular way as in this case 'camp'..that it would be or could be 'understandable' for someone to step over boundaries and invade personal space in a sexual way...and Joel did say to stop several times, and ok that might have been alongside laughter etc as well, which was all egged on by the others and the whole moment and alcohol of course ...and as you say Joel is not so forthright but the only thing that should be heard in situations like this is 'stop/don't' no matter how it's said and I'm sure it was also clearly heard by Aaron as well as the laughter was heard and also by other housemates in the room too...

..I do feel some sympathy for Aaron as well ..but I don't think there was any other decision other than to remove him and I don't think that however Joel dresses or acts by his own choice, there is any fault on his part with this ..if Aaron 'misread' anything about Joel then he misread for other reasons and factors which are nothing to do with Joel...

[Tarryn]

Did I miss something ?.
Did Aaron die ?!.
No, he was evicted because he tried to sexually assault a teenage boy. If he did this on the outside world he would be signing the Sex Offenders Register for the next 5 years.
What is Joel supposed to do ?. Not have any fun & mope ?. If he did this some of you would complain he is milking it.
Sarah is a nasty person. She had no real argument & kept accusing Joel over & over he was trying to put words in her mouth when he could not get a word in.
Sarah behaved like a nasty bitch. I'm happy she is gone.

[Daniel-X]

I don't think Joel's shot himself in the foot with the public but perhaps some of the housemates as none of them seem pleased apart from Eileen, the twins and Jade who laughed with him. I don't think it was distasteful he is allowed to laugh and joke after what's happened and any viewer or housemate who expects him to moap around after Aaron going is in fact an idiot.

Actually, I think it's better him doing what he's always done and messing around rather than diminishing his character just because of what happened with Aaron he shouldn't have to now walk on eggshells.

Sarah was a horrid rude bitch in the garden and I was so happy she went tonight a sore loser like her lapdog Harriet.

[Daniel.]

Sarah scalped him

[Liam-]

No he didn't, he didn't do anything wrong, yet again.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lots of the males in BB have dressed up in women's clothes, they don't all ask to be sexually assaulted after it.

Not even replying to the victim blaming. Hey maybe Joels skirt was too short eh.

Totally agree.

And in regards to OP's original question; I thought the opposite. Sarah was absolutely disgusting in that argument and Joel was totally right. Although I disagree what Aaron did was sexual harassment and chucking him out the house was a bit extreme, I in no way think Joel was to blame for what happened.

He's dressed up in those clothes before and done his little dancing and singing. That's just what he's been like the entire time, he's having some fun. And even though it wouldn't matter if he was, he's not trying to be provocative. To use the sexual assault comparison, Sarah was basically saying that if someone was being provocative/wearing provocative clothing and someone went 'too far', then it was justified. She said don't put words into her mouth, but she blamed Joel and said he was provoking him - how can that be interpreted any other way? Aaron was removed because BIG BROTHER deemed his behaviour inappropriate. Sarah connecting Aaron's removal + Joel dressing up in women's clothes is Sarah making a connection between both acts being Joel purposely being sexually provocative and inviting 'attention'. Joel was clearly uncomfortable in that situation and didn't know how to react. Aaron was someone he seemed to be friends with in the house and probably didn't want to get too aggressive towards him (and maybe it's just not in his nature). I saw some posts on Twitter of people blaming Joel in the same way and I was absolutely disgusted.

I also think the 'smirk' was a nervous smile, I do the same thing when I'm feeling uncomfortable and unsure.

[Maria26]

Everything about Joel screams DEVIOUS and MANIPULATOR. He knew exactly waht he was doing from the beginning. Well done little twat!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Maria26

Everything about Joel screams DEVIOUS and MANIPULATOR. He knew exactly waht he was doing from the beginning. Well done little twat!

devious, manipulative odious little creep

[bots]

Well, I think Joel is a bit of a contradiction, and that's why people don't like him.

He is of course entitled to do what he wants without getting unnecessary attention from a predator, but it can't be denied that his shouting from the roof tops, I'm straight, I'm straight, when his actions and mannerisms shout something completely different are going to rile people

[MrWong]

I'm glad that Joel's cross dressing went down like a lead balloon.

Hopefully he picks up a few noms this week.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Well, I think Joel is a bit of a contradiction, and that's why people don't like him.

He is of course entitled to do what he wants without getting unnecessary attention from a predator, but it can't be denied that his shouting from the roof tops, I'm straight, I'm straight, when his actions and mannerisms shout something completely different are going to rile people

You have said in a sentence what I have been trying to say in a paragraph...

[Crimson Dynamo]

so ideal for politics

[Denver]

Would you say to a women well you shouldnt be wearing that skirt if the same happened to her? No you wouldnt because its wrong