[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's quite rude to completely rubbish others opinions though just because you disagree with it, at least debate it or there is really no point in quoting people.

And one word answers are just plain rude

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's quite rude to completely rubbish others opinions though just because you disagree with it, at least debate it or there is really no point in quoting people.

I answered the original question I was asked and I did so by stating my opinion.

I've had this certain debate with quite a few people over the past two days and it never got anywhere, so I don't really think it's worth getting into the same debate another time, just for it to not go anywhere again.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I answered the original question I was asked and I did so by stating my opinion.

I've had this certain debate with quite a few people over the past two days and it never got anywhere, so I don't really think it's worth getting into the same debate another time, just for it to not go anywhere again.

That's fair enough, theres no pint point replying to things you don't want to debate about though

[bots]

I think people are bias in their attitude because she gets her tits out. She is no more boring that 80% of the other house mates. I find most of the cast absolutely boring. Are we really saying Cristian has added more to the series?

People call her all sorts; slapper etc yet were fully in support of Helen last year. I'm not one for showmances, and I think Nick is a complete dick, so they can shove that, but in the long run, I think she has much more potential to be an interesting house mate than many of the others

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are bias in their attitude because she gets her tits out. She is no more boring that 80% of the other house mates. I find most of the cast absolutely boring. Are we really saying Cristian has added more to the series?

People call her all sorts; slapper etc yet were fully in support of Helen last year. I'm not one for showmances, and I think Nick is a complete dick, so they can shove that, but in the long run, I think she has much more potential to be an interesting house mate than many of the others

It's nothing to do with that for me,it's to do with just being a one trick pony,she knows exactly what she is doing,it maybe entertaining to some ,but for others it's just plain boring,I would say the same about a male,you got to be scraping the barrel if that's all you got,this is BB we want to see personalities,not tits and foo,foo,and sorry Christian has got far more about him than to drop his trousers for votes,no wonder people call her names,what does she expect?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's nothing to do with that for me,it's to do with just being a one trick pony,she knows exactly what she is doing,it maybe entertaining to some ,but for others it's just plain boring,I would say the same about a male,you got to be scraping the barrel if that's all you got,this is BB we want to see personalities,not tits and foo,foo,and sorry Christian has got far more about him than to drop his trousers for votes,no wonder people call her names,what does she expect?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's nothing to do with that for me,it's to do with just being a one trick pony,she knows exactly what she is doing,it maybe entertaining to some ,but for others it's just plain boring,I would say the same about a male,you got to be scraping the barrel if that's all you got,this is BB we want to see personalities,not tits and foo,foo,and sorry Christian has got far more about him than to drop his trousers for votes,no wonder people call her names,what does she expect?

Well said.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's nothing to do with that for me,it's to do with just being a one trick pony,she knows exactly what she is doing,it maybe entertaining to some ,but for others it's just plain boring,I would say the same about a male,you got to be scraping the barrel if that's all you got,this is BB we want to see personalities,not tits and foo,foo,and sorry Christian has got far more about him than to drop his trousers for votes,no wonder people call her names,what does she expect?

I think people are being blinded by her stripping antics though. Lets face it, she may strip for 2 mins in the day, and the rest of the time be involved in serious discussion and we would be none the wiser, because BB is feeding that to us. Its their choice to show those few moments and make that representative of her character. I don't believe it for one moment.

Again, Cristian for me is up there as the most boring house mate of all time. He has been in there weeks, and literally done nothing in all that time. He should have been out on his ass on the first week, and may well have been if Jack hadn't saved him

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dollface

This.

Helen was a prostitute, yet she was loved and Harry is seen as a slapper. How does that make sense?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are being blinded by her stripping antics though. Lets face it, she may strip for 2 mins in the day, and the rest of the time be involved in serious discussion and we would be none the wiser, because BB is feeding that to us. Its their choice to show those few moments and make that representative of her character. I don't believe it for one moment.

Again, Cristian for me is up there as the most boring house mate of all time. He has been in there weeks, and literally done nothing in all that time. He should have been out on his ass on the first week, and may well have been if Jack hadn't saved him

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are being blinded by her stripping antics though. Lets face it, she may strip for 2 mins in the day, and the rest of the time be involved in serious discussion and we would be none the wiser, because BB is feeding that to us. Its their choice to show those few moments and make that representative of her character. I don't believe it for one moment.

Again, Cristian for me is up there as the most boring house mate of all time. He has been in there weeks, and literally done nothing in all that time. He should have been out on his ass on the first week, and may well have been if Jack hadn't saved him

Well if that is how people perceive her,she only has herself to blame,the other girls manage to have got along fine without flaunting themselves all the time,girls like Harry just come across as desperate as someone said #airtime

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are bias in their attitude because she gets her tits out. She is no more boring that 80% of the other house mates. I find most of the cast absolutely boring. Are we really saying Cristian has added more to the series?

People call her all sorts; slapper etc yet were fully in support of Helen last year. I'm not one for showmances, and I think Nick is a complete dick, so they can shove that, but in the long run, I think she has much more potential to be an interesting house mate than many of the others

This.

Helen was a prostitute, yet she was loved and Harry is seen as a slapper. How does that make sense?

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

This.

Helen was a prostitute, yet she was loved and Harry is seen as a slapper. How does that make sense?

Hellen was hated lbr it was mostly old people that voted for her for some reason

[adam_thedon]

If she wasn't getting her tits out would you even remember she was in there? She knows she's boring so does this for camera time.

[kefln]

I like her. She has a fairly relaxed attitude and compared to the other newbies she has really integrated herself with the original HMs. They seem to like her because she seems easy to get on with.

The first couple of times she got her kit off it was car crash TV, but its almost normal now, as someone has pointed out above no one complains when Cristian takes his top off - didn't the lads do a strip show the last day? And unlike the likes of Cristians she is more "normal" in shape, which is a good thing.

She isn't the most offensive in there, she isn't the dullest, I'd class her as a middle of the road HM with a particular quirk that makes her stand out. She could do nothing at all for the rest of her time in the house, or she might have a few great moments. We'll see.

There are quite a few dullards in there at the moment, who'd miss the likes of Joel, Sam, Cristian or even Chloe? They could be replaced tomorrow with a random anyother from the street and the show wouldn't skip a beat. Would we miss Harry if she left? Probably not. But watching her and Nick interact is a "story", as is the car crash moments when she strips off. If Cristian left we'd miss those amazing moments of him sitting slack jawed while listening to others speak. If Sam left we'd miss those amazing moments when Marc says something to her and she tries to figure out if she's offended or not.

Plenty in there far duller and contributing less.

[kefln]

Jack was walking around topless in last nights episode and he was in the pool, flaunting himself, getting airtime, desperate?

[kefln]

DP, sorry.

[kefln]

Marc was completely nude, apart from some tinfoil, flaunting, airtime, desperate?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Marc was completely nude, apart from some tinfoil, flaunting, airtime, desperate?

Yes. I doubt anyone would disagree?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes. I doubt anyone would disagree?

Of course not.

These people are all in there for the money, for fame, for some lime light. If they are brave enough to strip off, fair play to them, its not hurting anyone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

Marc was completely nude, apart from some tinfoil, flaunting, airtime, desperate?

Still not totally nude though,he had tin foil round his tackle. Double standards at times here.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Still not totally nude though,he had tin foil round his tackle. Double standards at times here.

Its total double standards.

Harry was naked in the bath. Its a normal place to be naked. Its not normal for other people to be in the room with you though. And its certainly not normal for cameras to be watching.

My question why were the others there? Why was Jack there? Nick walked in, covered his face when he realised something was up, then left. Jack remained where he was looking at her through the mirror.

Was she wrong? ******ed if I know. Its her right. Its her body.

As for being naked in the bed, or flashing in the pool, is it really all that shocking? I'm sorry but she's not exactly a playboy model, she's a normal looking girl, its more car crash then page 3.

As for the tinfoil non nude thing? I'm sorry but he was naked. And given the fact that he's already flashed his testicles, there isn't much we haven't seen of him. He did it for attention. He did it for air time. The guy works out, he knows that a section of society would enjoy it, so he did it. Fair play to him.

I just don't agree with it being ok for one to do it and not ok for the other.

[Livia]

I'm proud of my body. Would I get my kit off on TV, or even in public? Not a chance. It makes me think that's all she's got to offer.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm proud of my body. Would I get my kit off on TV, or even in public? Not a chance. It makes me think that's all she's got to offer.

I admire their confidence. I admire Harry for being able to stand in a front of a group of people completely naked. I admire Marc for being able to strut around around the garden for a laugh. I admire Jack for being a larger lad but still being able to walk around with his top off.

I'm an average size guy, I've never worked out, I'm not overweight, I could be thinner, healthier, fitter, but over all I'm not ashamed of my body. Could I ever go on national television and hop in the pool? ****** no.

I admire the self confidence that these people have.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kefln

I admire their confidence. I admire Harry for being able to stand in a front of a group of people completely naked. I admire Marc for being able to strut around around the garden for a laugh. I admire Jack for being a larger lad but still being able to walk around with his top off.

I'm an average size guy, I've never worked out, I'm not overweight, I could be thinner, healthier, fitter, but over all I'm not ashamed of my body. Could I ever go on national television and hop in the pool? ****** no.

I admire the self confidence that these people have.

Hmmm... I think it's more showboating than confidence.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm... I think it's more showboating than confidence.

Isn't that the same thing, at the very core? Fake it till you feel it?

She's a normal HM for the most part, she seems to get on well with most of them, she doesn't seem to be aggressive or out looking for fights, she doesn't take herself too seriously and is smiling most of the time.

So she likes to take her top off, its shocking the first time, but its not the worst thing that a person can do and its fairly standard for men.

The only argument against it is that its wrong for women to go topless which is basically a social sexism issue. On almost any other topic there would be riots if a girl was told she couldn't do something that a man could. But not this.