[MTVN]

Surprised, I expect a lot of MPs backed him even though they don't want him as leader just to have more views represented in the debate. He'll probably do a Diane Abbott now and absolutely flop in the main vote

[Jack_]

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

Sure
But Burnham
as leader in Sept



http://news.sky.com/story/1502426/le...-labour-ballot

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Delighted he got enough noms, that's the first thing they've got right now we can have a proper debate and one that'll highlight just how much support left wing policies have and how very little Labour are doing to appease them

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

eg. NHS, minimum wage, lgbt rights

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Anti-austerity, re-nationalisation of the railways etc etc

Excited that they'll be a voice championing these things in the debate though!

No
they can not go back
to expensive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No
they can not go back
to expensive

Maybe not so, if he can get this onto the agenda again,who knows what the future holds especially if the railways continue to get even more expensive and seemingly little done to improve services.

In the election campaign,I found people who felt the railways should be under State control again,some of them not even Labour supporters.
I even found those who felt while Ed Miliband talked tough as to the energy companies,they didn't take him seriously completely because they felt he should be saying they should e back under State control.

Sometimes people get fed up of seeing competition whereby all they get from it is rising prices and little improvements.
Such as the Water authorities in the South even too.

Jeremy Corbyn can open up a new agenda that at this time will look different to what near all the other parties stand for.
He will not win the leadership,he can however open up areas of debate that would normally be taboo topics during it normally.

I like him the more I hear him.

[Jack_]

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

Yes a strange one

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Precisely my point, he will win (but God forbid it's Kendall, awful woman) and it'll prove everything I just said

I really don't mind her myself Jack_ .
However having met her,she does, when she talks to you come across in a condescending way and a tone to boot too.

This is a very important choice for the party to make and sadly,the choice is limited in my view.
So they need to really spell out what they really mean as much as just what they will say.

[MTVN]

Corbyn might appeal to the Labour membership but not to the electorate. In a way the problem facing Labour is a bit like that facing the Republicans in the US - candidates have to appeal to the Labour grassroots to secure the leader position but they then have to phrase themselves in a very different way to win over the country as a whole, or at least to win over those parts of the country that are needed to win an election. I don't think Miliband was too left-wing but I do think he was caught between those two impulses and he never reconciled them. I was reading an article yesterday saying how Blair's success was that he was a Labour leader who didn't look like a Labour leader. The country hasn't elected a 'proper' Labour leader since Wilson in a drastically different time. The only one who really seems to appreciate that is Kendall but I can't see her winning unfortunately. Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time.

[arista]

[Cooper and Burnham must be the two most uninspiring front runners of a leadership contest in a long long time. ]

Yes MTVN
something Jack must debate

[smudgie]

Awww, it appears he got the nominations he needed at the last minute, all to make Andy Burnham look less left wing.
Tsk tsk, politics is a dirty game.

[arista]

[empire]

this guy insulted working class voters who did not, vote for labour this year, corbyn and labour are living in cuckoo land, labour's biggest weakness is their belief, that they have an entitlement too the working class vote, just because they clam that they are the working people's party, corbyn thinks calling ex labour voters all the names of the day, and still call's himself a socialist, labour deserve to lose the working class vote, there are huge reason's why, they lost this year, their delusional egotist, ways mean that they will never change, and are stuck in their arrogant way of thinking,

[arista]

He was just Live on SkyNewsHD "Murnaghan"


Marr on BBC1 kept saying he wanted Jeremy on.
He should have got his producer
to set up a Live Link in Newcastle
before he went on SkyNewsHD Live


Marr had T.Hunt Labour MP, on
who spoke badly about Jeremy

[joeysteele]

Just maybe someone is needed to really offer a totally different vision for the future of the UK.
In 2020, we may well be out or coming out of the EU,there could be a bigger mess to sort out than any financial mess left in 2010.

Politics swings wildly at times,maybe on a whole new rebuilding role as to where the UK goes out of the EU or building a new relationship post referendum within the EU, it may well be that as in the past, a whole new approach again is supported.

Jeremy Corbyn may yet have a message that will inspire those who would like to vote Labour but who see Labour as just a milder form of the Conservatives,to really go out and vote rather than not vote at all.
There is a lot going on in the next 2 to 3 years.this govts overall majority could be easily gone by then, the EU issue will inevitably lead to some constitutional chaos and if the vote is to leave,then Scotland will be baying again to wanting to leave the UK.

All that will affect the economics of the UK and it could well be the case that anyone looks better than what we have by 2020.
I think the next 4 years at least, are going to be traumatic for this govt and also very exciting too as to how the voters loyalties are stretched and where the political mood swings to.

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Jeremy Corbyn
is better than Burnham.

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Definitely.

Much less predictable too. Yvette and Andy really aren't anything fresh or exciting, and Liz may as well switch to the tories.

Corbyn is fresh and exciting? His politics haven't changed in 40 years

[joeysteele]

On paper,a strong,(anti all things Labour),Conservative telling me a labour leadership contender was better than another would have me believing more that the one they didn't 'prefer',(using the term loosely), would be the one to go for.

Then again thinking about it, it may just be you have hit on something and that Jeremy Corbyn, if he was Labour leader, would have a message in 2020,that would reach far more voters overall across the whole of the UK,than just the almost one party Conservative state of the far south of England would like to see.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD now is using a clip of
Marr. BBC : T.Hunt MP having a go

Then there Interview
with Jeremy.

[the truth]

YES CORBYN ALL THE WAY FOR ME

Id LOVE TO SEE US renationalise the utilities and the railways (we can dream) AND THE CROOKS AT BT. WHY SHOULD THEIR MONOPOLY EAT UP THE MARKET. THERES NO FREE AMRKET COMPETITION IN ANY OF THESE SECTORS, ITS A SICK JOKE

lower vat with a view to scrapping it down the line

more levels of income tax rates

social housing (build a load)

pull out of EU but remain as a trading partner

scrap paying housing benefits direct to tenants

build up the ombudsmen and complaints departments in all local government and the nhs....allowing troubleshooters more chance to complain and get problems dealt with...even 50%of doctors in hospitals felt bullied and intimidated by fellow staff members in nhs hospitals

massive investment in the industries...building long term jobs. look reopen the best deep coal mines

look at projects again like the severn barrage scheme....with our winds and high tides, its insane not to utilise them fully to give energy to this little island and makes us less vulnerable to the Russians

masterplan to revive town centres and become less enslaved to retail giants
lower rates, scrap car parking charges etc....reduce dismantled speed bumps and speed cameras that are NOT near schools

more regulations and taxes on bankers also raise ths standards of those companies doing credit checks for banks. theyre stopping the cash flow to good people

stop selling arms to evil regimes, regardless how profitable it is

no more spin and lies, keep spin doctors outside politics. try and tell the truth

[the truth]

I detest EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVIL NEW LABOUR PROJECT....EVEN BEYOND THE ILLEGAL WARS, THE ENDLESS CIVIL SERVICE COVER UPS, THE SELLING US OUT TO THE EU AND THE STINKING 587 PAGE CONSTITUION, THE CORRUPT COUNCILS (ROTHERHAM) THE ABSURD OBSESSION WITH TRIVIAL ISSUES LIKE FOX HUNTING WHICH WAS DEBATED LONGER THAN THE IRAQ WAR? FFS AND THE COUNTRY GOING VIRTUALLY BANKRUPT...BUT TO ME THE BIGGEST SCAM OF ALL IS THE NHS AND THE INFINITE COVER UPS AND COMPLETE CHAOS AND FAILURE. I REJECT THE NOTION THIS IS A DECENT SERVICE...ITS NOT REMOTELY DECENT. THE ONLY GREAT WORK IS DONE BY THE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS. BUT THEYRE ALL HELD BACK BY THE BILLIONS IN MIDDLE MANAGEMENT AND CORRUPT WASTEFUL NHS TRUSTS....THE SET UP STINKS. THE SERVICE STINKS. THOUSANDS HAVE DIED FROM NEGLECT AND NEW LABOUR COVERED IT ALL UP. WHATS HAPPENNING STILL IN NHS WALES UNDER WELSH LABOUR IS FRANKLY HORRIFYING. PEOPLE ARE RUSHED INTO LETTING THEIR LOVED ONESDIE, WITH BARELY A PROEPR EXPLANATION EVEN AS TO WHY...OVER HALF THE HOSPITAL DOCTORS FEEL BULLIED BY FELLOW STAFF EVEN NOW. ITS A NATIONAL DISGRACE

[empire]

the labour party to this day, abandoned and betrayed the white working class people, with a multicultural ideology that did not work from day one, it did more harm in causing a racial divide, and made it even less possaible for everyone to integrate, labour also sold out jobs to cheap labour around the world, leaving the younger generation with no future, in jobs with stable wages, child neglecting under labour rose pretty high, they weakened the police forces, with making name calling, and posting offensive posts on facebook a more serious crime, they have let british children run wild with there behaviour, and not let parents give them a hard clip round the ear, instead they get the soft treatment with oh, they have behaviour problems, labour have a very anti white, anti english, attitude, and they say that the working class will come back to vote for them, it shows how out of touch they are, broken britain term has a long list on it, under labour,