[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we just end on-season now please

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

I agree

Seeing people enjoy Helen's treatment of Brian has been deeply disturbing. I've no issue with people having different opinions but to actually enjoy a grown man welling up being called really horrific names and watch another person goade him and thoroughly enjoying ever moment of torment is odd to me.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I agree

Seeing people enjoy Helen's treatment of Brian has been deeply disturbing. I've no issue with people having different opinions but to actually enjoy a grown man welling up being called really horrific names and watch another person goade him and thoroughly enjoying ever moment of torment is odd to me.

Exactly. I could understand how people find and found Helen entertaining in all other instances, last year and this year. Hell, I could even have understood people finding that argument entertaining and acceptable had this particular scene not happened and she had just called him a murderer and a rapist, but to think that someone sitting there being goaded and belittled deliberately (as she admitted to) by someone who was getting enjoyment out of it is entertaining and/or acceptable is to me absolutely abhorrent. Something so uncomfortable and saddening is not justifiable in any way shape or form, and the fact that some people think it is is just disturbing.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Exactly. I could understand how people find and found Helen entertaining in all other instances, last year and this year. Hell, I could even have understood people finding that argument entertaining and acceptable had this particular scene not happened and she had just called him a murderer and a rapist, but to think that someone sitting there being goaded and belittled deliberately (as she admitted to) by someone who was getting enjoyment out of it is entertaining and/or acceptable is to me absolutely abhorrent. Something so uncomfortable and saddening is not justifiable in any way shape or form, and the fact that some people think it is is just disturbing.

To be quite honest I was egging her on. I think she showed a bit of weakness there.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

This is troubling me too. I am feeling like I have little in common with many on the forum, you think to yourself how can people support this sort of thing. In the past I've enjoyed the mix of people and the banter but increasingly I feel quite disillusioned and separate.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This is troubling me too. I am feeling like I have little in common with many on the forum, you think to yourself how can people support this sort of thing. In the past I've enjoyed the mix of people and the banter but increasingly I feel quite disillusioned and separate.

I know just how you feel. I got to that point last year which is why I hardly bother to come here or post any more, and so many others have fled too.
The Helen enablers just wore them down, sadly.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

I agree Jack but look at all the Helen love and Marc love, two vile disgusting human beings but a clearer example is that Hazel was in the WRONG in many peoples eyes when it came to the incident with Daley. And in many of the other sexual encounters if they happen the woman is for the most part blamed. I try to live a good life and I have bad language the same as many other people but the comments that have come out of Marc's and more importantly HELENS mouth have disgusted me to the core. I assumed most people would agree but they don't. We just have to let everyone have their say on these forums and stick to what we believe in ourselves. Love your posts by the way

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we just end on-season now please

This.

[Stankleberry]

When a man charges at a women as if he wants to fight her during an argument, that man deserves to be put in his place. He is insane, and she was right to say what she did. I hope he learns to control his emotions better, it's amazing that he's not in prison.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Stankleberry

When a man charges at a women as if he wants to fight her during an argument, that man deserves to be put in his place. He is insane, and she was right to say what she did. I hope he learns to control his emotions better, it's amazing that he's not in prison.

nothing more needs to be said. All assumptions to suit your agenda.

[Stankleberry]

Originally Posted by Quasar

nothing more needs to be said. All assumptions to suit your agenda.

Charging at someone to the point where other people need to physically hold you back is insane, and if you're a large man doing it to a woman it's completely insane and would normally be deemed "unacceptable behavior", certainly. I guess some people get a free pass for some reason, huh. What could the reason be.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Brian was sat silently on the sofa when Helen was deliberately antagonizing him.

[Vicky.]

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

Even if his shaking was anger (mixed in with fear I believe, personally), it is still bullying to continue to goad someone when they are sat there doing nothing. Tears, fear or anger, if someone is doing nothing back to you and you continue to go at them, mocking them, smirking, you are being a bully.

You know I don't use that word lightly and have defended all accusations of bullying against Helen before, but that is out and out bullying.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

Helen saw he was angry and I don't blame him, he was being called horrific things.

She continued to try abd push him further abd tip him over the edge.

She then claims she was intimidated by him. I don't believe her, had she really been intimidated I doubt she would keep prodding.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Helen saw he was angry and I don't blame him, he was being called horrific things.

She continued to try abd push him further abd tip him over the edge.

She then claims she was intimidated by him. I don't believe her, had she really been intimidated I doubt she would keep prodding.

he had been over the top angry for days before helen comment..and bitching calling helen and marc horrible things. I challenge you to produce examples of "horrible" thing helen said before her Murder/Rapist comment..and i'll easily out do them triple with Brian comments

[Macie Lightfoot]

why are people even engaging in this tbh? Like, Helen's behavior over both the course of this series and last series (and I'll throw in Marc's behavior too tbh; they really are two sides of the same coin) speaks for itself, and the few people who do like Helen will continue to do mental gymnastics to make it seem like she's permanently the victim who has done no wrong and how dare anyone do her wrong.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

why are people even engaging in this tbh? Like, Helen's behavior over both the course of this series and last series (and I'll throw in Marc's behavior too tbh; they really are two sides of the same coin) speaks for itself, and the few people who do like Helen will continue to do mental gymnastics to make it seem like she's permanently the victim who has done no wrong and how dare anyone do her wrong.

Exactly. It's amazingly difficult to comprehend why anyone could love Helen, but a small minority do, so that's that. As you say, why even engage? Majority rules, so let the few who admire her have her and good luck to them, they are welcome to her!

[Good King Glennceslas]

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

You should get that seen to.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

I'm screaming at why people are still talking about her.

Her and Nikki have gone. They're history.

Move on.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by BB6

I'm screaming at why people are still talking about her.

Her and Nikki have gone. They're history.

Move on.

wasteman-oh!!

or something stupid

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

Sure boo

[JeanP!]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

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