[the truth]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

My nephew was suffering bullying at school - he was given a red card to get him out of class if he felt overwhelmed or if he felt threatened, this red card just gave him an excuse to use it as and when he felt like it, he could then go to student services get a cup of tea and a biscuit and play on the playstation to calm him down, fast forward to GCSE exams and he pretty much failed them all, not one member of staff dealt with his situation, he was pretty much set up to fail by being given a red card, because of the lack of structure and boundaries both in his home life and at school, he is now 18, has contemplated suicide, been on anti depressants, he has no aims or aspirations for the future and is in a very dependent relationship with his girlfriend (him being dependent), i worry for him and his future, and many people looking from the outside in would say that he is a kid/young adult who has been given everything (but in my opinion being on the inside, the one thing he hasn't had is safety and security, both in his home life and school life).

boys need a combination of structure and discipline as well as play time...they learn totally differently to girls ...but were not allowed to say that by the sick evil feminazis and the politically correct psychos of new labour....hence record male suicides in young men. its a farking national disgrace

[rubymoo]

And don't even get me started on the vivo reward system......!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

And don't even get me started on the vivo reward system......!

All Reward / Praise / Exclusion / Punishment systems are pretty widely accepted in the psychology community as being absolutely awful ways to teach humans anything at all. They work well for dogs, and highly unintelligent / unimaginative people.

And yet schools across the country seem to be absolutely obsessed with using these sorts of systems.

You can't even "opt out" (we asked...) because apparently that would "be confusing for the other kids". I don't think it's socially acceptable to point out that I don't give a stuff about other people's kids . So as it stands we just massively undermine the system with our daughter by laughing about it and making fun of it. She has a traffic light system in her room with her teacher's name as the sticker, and at the end of the day she gets to decide if the teacher was well behaved or not .

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All Reward / Praise / Exclusion / Punishment systems are pretty widely accepted in the psychology community as being absolutely awful ways to teach humans anything at all. They work well for dogs, and highly unintelligent / unimaginative people.

And yet schools across the country seem to be absolutely obsessed with using these sorts of systems.

You can't even "opt out" (we asked...) because apparently that would "be confusing for the other kids". I don't think it's socially acceptable to point out that I don't give a stuff about other people's kids . So as it stands we just massively undermine the system with our daughter by laughing about it and making fun of it. She has a traffic light system in her room with her teacher's name as the sticker, and at the end of the day she gets to decide if the teacher was well behaved or not .

The reward systems are a pile of ****e!

I agree with you completely and your post made me smile as it was as if i'd written it myself i too have asked if my children can be withdrawn from the reward system as it's geared towards the disruptive, badly behaved students or those who are at the top of the class, since my girls are in the middle, and well behaved the system completely ignores them, it's like having a reward chart for toddlers aimed at teenagers, so i have had to go down the path of ridiculing it and rewarding my girls myself for their hard work, which is a lot more age appropriate and it works as my girls continue to work hard at school and get the grades they have worked for, one of my daughters rewards was a skive day at the end of summer term, i took her bowling and out for a meal, we had proper together time and i know that my approach is a reward worth working hard for

[Cal.]

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest lmao

Schools are just exam factories

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest lmao

Schools are just exam factories

..yea, far too many Cal and so much pressure on young people with them...

[JoshBB]

Probably because how the education system is so geared around getting a qualification and not actually learning the subject, leaving people to feel like they've 'failed' if they dont get what they wanted.

[arista]

Example Roland

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Example Roland

Both my sons had/have drum kits and guitars and microphone systems and now play and sing in in a band. My daughter also sings.


The racket was deafening at times - especially when their mates were sleeping over and brought their guitars, but I was just happy that all my kids were happy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Both my sons had/have drum kits and guitars and microphone systems and now play and sing in in a band. My daughter also sings.


The racket was deafening at times - especially when their mates were sleeping over and brought their guitars, but I was just happy that all my kids were happy.

Yes Kirk old days
Now With Electric Drum kits
they have a headphone socket

[armand.kay]

Schoolchildren in England are among the most unhappy in the world, faring worse than those in Ethiopia, Algeria and Romania, a charity has warned.

bye..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

bye..

Happiness beyond the basic needs such as food, water, shelter and companionship is really not linked to wealth at all so there is absolutely no reason to assume that just because a country is "poorer", its people aren't happier.

Some people live very happy, content lives almost completely "off the grid" with no material wealth at all. Some very rich people are so miserable that they take their own lives before they hit middle age.

The UK is a miserable place. People have miserable, materialistic priorities here. That's pushed by parents, in schools, and by the government every day... trying to convince us all from the age of 5 that the ultimate goals in life are "good grades", for "good jobs" and then "plenty of money" (and then supposedly you will be happy). When you combine that with crappy weather conditions that stop people from getting back to any sort of natural state at all, then no, it's not surprising that we're an unhappy nation at all.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Happiness beyond the basic needs such as food, water, shelter and companionship is really not linked to wealth at all so there is absolutely no reason to assume that just because a country is "poorer", its people aren't happier.

Some people live very happy, content lives almost completely "off the grid" with no material wealth at all. Some very rich people are so miserable that they take their own lives before they hit middle age.

The UK is a miserable place. People have miserable, materialistic priorities here. That's pushed by parents, in schools, and by the government every day... trying to convince us all from the age of 5 that the ultimate goals in life are "good grades", for "good jobs" and then "plenty of money" (and then supposedly you will be happy). When you combine that with crappy weather conditions that stop people from getting back to any sort of natural state at all, then no, it's not surprising that we're an unhappy nation at all.

I think this is a well-worded and accurate post. Due to the society we grow up in, an element of materialism and strive for a 'well-paying' job is almost necessary especially since we fail to take care of the most vulnerable, the disabled, homeless, and unemployed. We see that as "what happens if you dont succeed" and it leads to a kind of win or die mentality, if that's the right way to phrase it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Happiness beyond the basic needs such as food, water, shelter and companionship is really not linked to wealth at all so there is absolutely no reason to assume that just because a country is "poorer", its people aren't happier.

Some people live very happy, content lives almost completely "off the grid" with no material wealth at all. Some very rich people are so miserable that they take their own lives before they hit middle age.

The UK is a miserable place. People have miserable, materialistic priorities here. That's pushed by parents, in schools, and by the government every day... trying to convince us all from the age of 5 that the ultimate goals in life are "good grades", for "good jobs" and then "plenty of money" (and then supposedly you will be happy). When you combine that with crappy weather conditions that stop people from getting back to any sort of natural state at all, then no, it's not surprising that we're an unhappy nation at all.

add to that celeb culture, addiction to social media and hang on so called celebs every move it's no wonder kids are discontented

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

add to that celeb culture, addiction to social media and hang on so called celebs every move it's no wonder kids are discontented

Yeah social media is a big factor really, people cherry picking and exaggerating the best parts of their lives to share with everyone whilst for the mostpart leaving out the less good things that balance it out... The effect being that EVERYONE ends up thinking that everyone else's lives are better than theirs. Facebook bragging is a bit of a pet-peeve of mine.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Happiness beyond the basic needs such as food, water, shelter and companionship is really not linked to wealth at all so there is absolutely no reason to assume that just because a country is "poorer", its people aren't happier.

Some people live very happy, content lives almost completely "off the grid" with no material wealth at all. Some very rich people are so miserable that they take their own lives before they hit middle age.

The UK is a miserable place. People have miserable, materialistic priorities here. That's pushed by parents, in schools, and by the government every day... trying to convince us all from the age of 5 that the ultimate goals in life are "good grades", for "good jobs" and then "plenty of money" (and then supposedly you will be happy). When you combine that with crappy weather conditions that stop people from getting back to any sort of natural state at all, then no, it's not surprising that we're an unhappy nation at all.

...yes I agree, happiness is not linked to wealth at all, hence as you say, some very rich people take their own lives ..there are also things like mental illness involved there which doesn't recognise 'rich' or 'poor', so that has to be considered as well...but basic things like food, water, shelter etc will only create survival, they won't create thriving or happiness either ..what some and many 'off the grid' people do have is positivity..it's not money or lack of it..'the simple unmaterialistic' life..it's their whole ability of being able to see positives in their lives ...I can only comment on my own experience in primary school level and I have never known any teacher/member of staff who has a thought or teaches that a child's ultimate are good grades, good jobs and plenty of money and that will create happiness for them...what they encourage is for a child to reach the best of their potential, whatever that potential is and that is a positive thing/not a negative thing...


...you say misery, misery, misery is pushed and crappy weather conditions..and that's the reason why it's a nation of unhappy young people..(according to this report..)...well, each year we have a children's African dance group visit our school, some of the 'happiest' children that I've ever met...they have some pretty crappy weather conditions also and their 'misery' is that they have no parents/families because they've lost them in the most brutal circumstances and they've been exposed to the most horrific things in their lives so what could be more 'miserable'.. but they're happy because they're positive..parents don't play a part because they have none..schools don't really play a part because they have the most basic of educations ..their happiness is within themselves, also unhappiness/negativity is within us as well and within them, it's just really what you focus on and what they focus on..all primary schools I know focus on the positive in children..so actually I do think..(and agree with Armand) that it is surprising because comparatively our children are given a good foundation in life to be positive and to believe in themselves...for the most part...funding, well that will always be a thing as it is in lots of areas but I think one thing that is not focused on enough are life skills and coping skills because really a 'healthy mind' will always create reaching full potential and a happy child...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yes I agree, happiness is not linked to wealth at all, hence as you say, some very rich people take their own lives ..there are also things like mental illness involved there which doesn't recognise 'rich' or 'poor', so that has to be considered as well...but basic things like food, water, shelter etc will only create survival, they won't create thriving or happiness either ..what some and many 'off the grid' people do have is positivity..it's not money or lack of it..'the simple unmaterialistic' life..it's their whole ability of being able to see positives in their lives ...I can only comment on my own experience in primary school level and I have never known any teacher/member of staff who has a thought or teaches that a child's ultimate are good grades, good jobs and plenty of money and that will create happiness for them...what they encourage is for a child to reach the best of their potential, whatever that potential is and that is a positive thing/not a negative thing...


...you say misery, misery, misery is pushed and crappy weather conditions..and that's the reason why it's a nation of unhappy young people..(according to this report..)...well, each year we have a children's African dance group visit our school, some of the 'happiest' children that I've ever met...they have some pretty crappy weather conditions also and their 'misery' is that they have no parents/families because they've lost them in the most brutal circumstances and they've been exposed to the most horrific things in their lives so what could be more 'miserable'.. but they're happy because they're positive..parents don't play a part because they have none..schools don't really play a part because they have the most basic of educations ..their happiness is within themselves, also unhappiness/negativity is within us as well and within them, it's just really what you focus on and what they focus on..all primary schools I know focus on the positive in children..so actually I do think..(and agree with Armand) that it is surprising because comparatively our children are given a good foundation in life to be positive and to believe in themselves...for the most part...funding, well that will always be a thing as it is in lots of areas but I think one thing that is not focused on enough are life skills and coping skills because really a 'healthy mind' will always create reaching full potential and a happy child...

Brilliant Ammi. You have no equal when you are really passionate on a subject.

[billy123]

Tom does always seem a bit moany

[the truth]

1) becausetheyre in war zones
2) because we speak English
30 BECAUSE OF OU BENEFITS SYSTEM

[the truth]

1)
BENEFITS

[the truth]

to escape war
we SPEAK ENGLISH
benefits
soft legal system
then they arrive and see uk isn't all that

[empire]

intruth, what do school leavers, get after. leaving school, nothing but useless exams, and teachers fed them with false crap about getting the job before they are eighteen, schools have made kids do far to much coursework, when I was doing trainee work, the amount of paperwork for pay every week and reporting my hours at work was a joke, parents obsession with trying to label their children with conditions that might not even exist, will end up only making them have a disadvantage in life, britains education system needs badly reformed, the teachers union, has to much control, and with it, you will have corruption, and alot of unhappy kids,

[Kizzy]

Hmmm with some kids it's a wonder teachers here aren't the unhappiest in the world too they get the blame for far too much, they didn't design the curriculum and I would bet if they had their way they would scrap it.
I feel education is being dumbed down, kids leaving able to function on paper but not in practice, even with the most basic sentence structure.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hmmm with some kids it's a wonder teachers here aren't the unhappiest in the world too they get the blame for far too much, they didn't design the curriculum and I would bet if they had their way they would scrap it.
I feel education is being dumbed down, kids leaving able to function on paper but not in practice, even with the most basic sentence structure.

In my view, the problem with Education in the UK is the endless kicking about with it,the experimentation of this and that as to standards and format of education by politicians.

One govt comes in then sets out to change what the previous one did,for as long as Education is messed about by all govts rather than setting in place an education system that at least has continuity to it, then there will be dissatisfaction across the board.

Let Teachers teach, work with them to come up with a sensible and long term programme as to Education policy, worked out and agreed by all parties in agreement too with all concerned.

Then we may see an Education system that works for all but for me the main thing is to remove it from the political arena and stop this see sawing nonsense of each new govt, feeling the need to muck about and change things when really all that does, is in the end create more problems.

No wonder pupils are unhappy,at times they must wonder what they are doing and for Teachers, it must often be the case that they wonder whether it is worth bothering worrying about the changes each new govt brings in, since it could all likely change again in a few years.
No wonder there is misery,disappointment,unhappiness and even confusion among those being educated in the UK.

They are constantly being failed by all govts and far too often too.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In my view, the problem with Education in the UK is the endless kicking about with it,the experimentation of this and that as to standards and format of education by politicians.

One govt comes in then sets out to change what the previous one did,for as long as Education is messed about by all govts rather than setting in place an education system that at least has continuity to it, then there will be dissatisfaction across the board.

Let Teachers teach, work with them to come up with a sensible and long term programme as to Education policy, worked out and agreed by all parties in agreement too with all concerned.

Then we may see an Education system that works for all but for me the main thing is to remove it from the political arena and stop this see sawing nonsense of each new govt, feeling the need to muck about and change things when really all that does, is in the end create more problems.

No wonder pupils are unhappy,at times they must wonder what they are doing and for Teachers, it must often be the case that they wonder whether it is worth bothering worrying about the changes each new govt brings in, since it could all likely change again in a few years.
No wonder there is misery,disappointment,unhappiness and even confusion among those being educated in the UK.

They are constantly being failed by all govts and far too often too.