[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Both sides can be quite guilty of that tbf, not just the left.

And shouldn't the Forum put in place as the rules that you can call a Political Party anything that you like, but just don't tag it to other Forum Members?

I would've said that would be correct.
To be able to say(type) 'looney left' or 'racist right' as long as you don't call another FM these things.

[user104658]

I'll add though that this is obviously personal preference. I've been a member of some great forums that worked this way... People REALLY get to know each other and develop mutual respect... But at the end of the day I am aware that the busiest sections of this forum are about reality TV and cat videos so I get that it has to be kept PG-13

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'll add though that this is obviously personal preference. I've been a member of some great forums that worked this way... People REALLY get to know each other and develop mutual respect... But at the end of the day I am aware that the busiest sections of this forum are about reality TV and cat videos so I get that it has to be kept PG-13

..mutual respect takes time often when opinions oppose and sadly, so often the judgements are made very quickly and then forever fixed....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..mutual respect takes time often when opinions oppose and sadly, so often the judgements are made very quickly and then forever fixed....

Yes... When people clash and then the conversation is stopped / deleted before anything is resolved, resulting in a lasting frustration / resentment.

I also think that getting to know members is a vital part of debating on a chat forum (this is a small chat forum,, not a hard debate forum) but I did point out that it's personal preference and also that I understand the need for pg-13 when kids might wander in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well lets hope anyone who supports UKIP does not get branded racist even though NONE of their policies are racist

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well lets hope anyone who supports UKIP does not get branded racist even though NONE of their policies are racist

..no, well think of something far worse for Ukippers.....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well lets hope anyone who supports UKIP does not get branded racist even though NONE of their policies are racist

It doesn't necessarily have to be racism, but the party did remove a youth member just because he believed in gay marriage, is that correct?

Obviously that has no bare on the voters necessarily, but it does on Farage and the rest of the party.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It doesn't necessarily have to be racism, but the party did remove a youth member just because he believed in gay marriage, is that correct?

Obviously that has no bare on the voters necessarily, but it does on Farage and the rest of the party.

I have never heard of that so if there is a link?

Every party since time began has paedos, criminals, etc as they reflect society broadly. You have to judge them on their policies and not by the odd crazy member.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have never heard of that so if there is a link?

Every party since time began has paedos, criminals, etc as they reflect society broadly. You have to judge them on their policies and not by the odd crazy member.

But UKIP has LOADS of odd crazy members.

[Ammi]

..actually I just logged back on....TS, what I mean in self-awareness..(and I feel that you and I do have mutual respect/whatever our topic opinions..)..is that what you want is to be able to say etc for us all to...and yet when members who don't usually post so much in SD section/younger members ..do venture over and post about something they may have an interest in...you not only tell them that it's not important in the grand scheme etc..what they're passionate about...but you ridicule, mock etc how they express themselves and really let them know that they have no place in SD as you see it...so want the 'freedom of speech' as you want it and less restrictive...but have very little tolerance for others...what they post/what they post about etc...

[bots]

this particular thread was only cleaned up to remove some off topic side chat. So, it wasn't anything that added to this particular topic

[user104658]

Maybe it's the assumption that we're getting at each other when we're not Ammi! "Stuff getting removed being really annoying" is one of the few topics where me and Kirk usually agree.

I say something really especially mean about the old bugger, cutting to the bone, I rub my hands together gleefully, go to the kitchen to make a cup of coffee... Come back and the whole thread is gone! Before it ever had a chance to be read. It's not just frustrating it's a tragedy...

[the truth]

the lefties took away freedom of speech. except for anyone who bashes white Christian men

[Livia]

Great. So I will never expect to see supporters of the Conservatives and UKIP called racists, Nazis, fascists, sheep or any other of the various insulting names I've seen people called on this forum. This is good news indeed.

[Kizzy]

No members have been insulted in that way and it not been seen as a rule break and the member guilty infracted have they? What has been attacked is right wing ideology and press bias... nothing to do with any individual fm.
Unlike the constant stream of accusations that members are lunatics :/

[Niamh.]

Closing this, nothing good is going to come of this thread

[Ammi]

...no of course it's not right Bob, no term/words are right as such if they're intentionally used as an insult...although as Arista said earlier, the looney right is an actual term stemming from the 80s I believe, so it would be determining if it was being used in that way and not meant in any other or maybe speak to Admin about it ...about whether it should be used at all..the 'looney' bit...'racist right' though is not something I'm personally familiar with as a 'term' so to call someone a racist could never be anything other than a negative/definite insult..and... a you calling me so I'm calling you is anyway just two people not being 'right' rather than just one.... it's also not right for people to be obviously targeted, sniped and digged at but sadly it happens almost daily as well..(sorry about your recent experience btw..)...but Bob, when you say 'for not being selfish'..isn't that also implying that people who may have an opposing opinion are selfish people ..which is neither true or right either....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no of course it's not right Bob, no term/words are right as such if they're intentionally used as an insult...although as Arista said earlier, the looney right is an actual term stemming from the 80s I believe, so it would be determining if it was being used in that way and not meant in any other or maybe speak to Admin about it ...about whether it should be used at all..the 'looney' bit...'racist right' though is not something I'm personally familiar with as a 'term' so to call someone a racist could never be anything other than a negative/definite insult..and... a you calling me so I'm calling you is anyway just two people not being 'right' rather than just one.... it's also not right for people to be obviously targeted, sniped and digged at but sadly it happens almost daily as well..(sorry about your recent experience btw..)...but Bob, when you say 'for not being selfish'..isn't that also implying that people who may have an opposing opinion are selfish people ..which is neither true or right either....

He didn't say that and it isn't the loony right :/
Of course it wouldn't be acceptable to call anyone on the right anything at all, I wouldn't want to but it's really upsetting when forum members use this phrase constantly as a means of condescension and it isn't seen as sniping.
Nobody has said that anyone personally is selfish, only that the ideological views of the right do come across that way. It's very easy for things to be misconstrued and taken out of context.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hi Kizzy, I have no problem now with being called 'leftie',in fact I may get a badge with it on, I would be rather upset if anyone termed me 'rightie' however now.

Hi Joey Oh I have no problem being on the left either don't get me wrong, however I don't like the fact some attempt to use it as a club to beat me with due to the derogatory connotation provided by the sun 'news' paper in the 80s