[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Probably not.In the meantime though this is undoubtedly going to cause alot of discomfort for people.Something needs to be done.Maybe dedicated wings of a prison/prisons.Supposing a transgender person walks into the shower with or is getting changed with men or women?It will cause problems either way.Some pervy men may do/say inappropriate things and women may feel very uncomfortable showering/changing with what is in biological terms still a man.That could lead to assaults on the transgender person from women and possibly even riots.This person will undoubtedly end up segregated for the majority of their sentence which is also unfair and potentially psychologically damaging.Only the worst of the worst are restricted human contact for safety reasons.A simple assault does not warrant that type of segregation.

Yeah, it is a tough one, you make some good points. Such a difficult life it must be to be transgender, I really feel for people going through that

[Kizzy]

Shocking, I know there must be rules against someone who is legally a man in a Womans prison but come on!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..she just hasn't had her final surgery which would give her a gender recognition certificate..and I don't understand 'seems like a thug' as we only know of this one assault, which she pleaded guilty to and why that would mean she deserves being placed in danger in prison...

You do not get jail time for one assault, you get it for a string of offences and one assualt

[Ammi]

..that's just an assumption though but even if it were the case, prisons are there to rehabilitate law offenders and not place them in physical danger...

[Ammi]

..and if there was a string of offences, each of those would have had their own punishments already...

[Tom4784]

There's a Duty of Care towards keeping inmates safe and putting a transgendered woman, regardless of what she's done, in a male prison that's known for it's violence flies in the face of Duty of Care.

There's no justification for it.

[Denver]

One thing I don't understand is if she is women why does she still keep a passport saying she is a male?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

One thing I don't understand is if she is women why does she still keep a passport saying she is a male?

I presume those documents can't be changed until you get the operation? (that's a guess though)

[Livia]

Stick her in solitary. It won't matter then whether she's in a male or female prison. And if she doesn't like it, well, maybe she'll think twice before getting into another bar fight.

[Liam-]

Has he had the gender reassignment surgery?

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol she is getting moved to a womans prison so worry over...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol she is getting moved to a womans prison so worry over...

Really?

Isn't she still in possession of her male genitals?

Ridiculous fuss for a bar brawler.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol she is getting moved to a womans prison so worry over...

Did you have to?Now i'm starting to question my sexuality

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol she is getting moved to a womans prison so worry over...

Figured this would happen, mistakes happen

[kirklancaster]

I wonder if the 90% Lesbian Prison staff will become confused and woo her with gifts, and favours the way they did Myra Hindley?

[JoshBB]

Disgusting.. she still deserves to go to prison if she committed the crime, but surely if we're doing the gender-separation prison thing then she should be going to a female prison.. as she is female.. honestly why is this even something that needs to be pointed out?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Really?

Isn't she still in possession of her male genitals?

Ridiculous fuss for a bar brawler.

Don't you think that's a bit of an invasive question that you would subject a transgender individual to?

Genitals ≠ Gender

[lostalex]

It's wrong for prisons to be segregated by gender to begin with. all prisons should be integrated.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Don't you think that's a bit of an invasive question that you would subject a transgender individual to?

Genitals ≠ Gender

wearing dresses and makeup doesn't = gender either. and you can't wear dresses or makeup in prison anyway.

why should this person be allowed to be safe in a women's prison when plenty of other people with a penis would also be more safe in a women's prison? why does she deserve more safety than a man who is also being harassed in a men's prison?

all prisons should be fully integrated men and women. it's the prison's job to protect ALL of the vulnerable people, male female, or trans.

That's true Equality.

[Marsh.]

Do transgenders not change their genders legally? In terms of all their legal documents?

If they do, then this decision is baffling.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Really?

Isn't she still in possession of her male genitals?

Ridiculous fuss for a bar brawler.

Is she really?



That adds a very large grey area to the debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tbh its what the male prisoners would want

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

tbh its what the make prisoners would want

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Did you have to?Now i'm starting to question my sexuality

Don't ever watch BBUSA17 then if you get worried about questioning your sexuality.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Don't ever watch BBUSA17 then if you get worried about questioning your sexuality.

It seems highly unlikely that a homosexual male would be attracted to a transgender male -> female though... surely? If they are, then THEY should be questioning their sexuality . "Guys... guys I've been finding myself attracted to a transgender woman called Sue. I... I'm starting to think that I might be straight ."