[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why does it seem like the oldest cultures are the least evolved? It's like they get stuck.

people started in Africa, africa is a ****ing nightmare, then moved up into the middle east, then into south asia and southern and eastern europe, then into eastern asia and western europe, then to America, Canada, and Australia....

it's like when you look at that time line you can see the worst places start at the beginning and the best places are the furthest away from the beginning.

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

yea, the moon landing was really quite something.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

We are on the way back down I'd say atm we're hovering somewhere over the early 20th century, we have the service industry and hospitality but little industry. proletarianisation is in full swing.

[DemolitionRed]

Did anyone else watch that documentary last night on how ISIS recruit people in the UK?
One very brave Muslim woman infiltrated a woman's group and got caught.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Did anyone else watch that documentary last night on how ISIS recruit people in the UK?
One very brave Muslim woman infiltrated a woman's group and got caught.

Yes I saw it she was very brave, I only caught the last 20 mins though.
I do question the motives of showing this now however, if the onus is on showing the Muslim community that they are not all viewed with suspicion then this sort of countered that.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes I saw it she was very brave, I only caught the last 20 mins though.
I do question the motives of showing this now however, if the onus is on showing the Muslim community that they are not all viewed with suspicion then this sort of countered that.

I would like to know what happened to that very important information before it was shown to the viewing public. Was M15 interested and if not why not? were these people arrested? From the sound of things they weren't.

[MTVN]

Presumably everything got passed to the authorities. I think they said that they couldn't name one of the women for legal reasons so perhaps she is now under investigation? It was very brave of her and its very concerning that such groups exist

[Kizzy]

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

I know it ended that way I saw it, my query was why they have released the footage so quick?
What is the motive, to compound headlines like the 1 in 5 stat in the sun?

[Livia]

It'll probably be all over by Christmas.

[letmein]

You can destroy an idea. It's impossible. There's no destroying ISIS.

[Kizzy]

We know there is radicalisation, whipping up numptys like the one who harassed a young Muslim woman on a train is not an intelligent solution to the issue.

[Livia]

Funny how different people have such different views depending on their outlook.

[Kizzy]

Strikes being discussed atm...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live