[lily.]

Regardless of whether he should or shouldn't have written the letter, he is a vile human who has expressed sympathy for terrorists very publicly, so that says enough about him really..

[kirklancaster]

UPDATE: Corbyn KNEW nice Mr Dahir because he was 'CLOSE' friends' with his family for years.

Explaining the reason for Mr Corbyn's support, Dahir's mother Amina Farah, 40, a housewife, said: "We are family friends (with Corbyn). We always fought for him, for Labour. We have known him for many years. He is a nice man.

"We are a good family. We don't want any problems. I don't know why they arrested my son."

His sister, Maryam Dahir, 20, who is applying to study nursing, added: "My father is a close friend of his. He [Corbyn] was able to vouch for my brother, for us, we are thankful to him. We had to prove my brother was innocent. Clearly if my brother was a criminal, he (Corbyn) would not have participated.

"My dad spoke to Jeremy personally and asked him to help. He is really close friends with my father, they have done a lot of community work together."

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lily.

Regardless of whether he should or shouldn't have written the letter, he is a vile human who has expressed sympathy for terrorists very publicly, so that says enough about him really..

[Kizzy]

Mr Corbyn's spokesman said: "Jeremy Corbyn condemns the actions of his constituent as appalling acts against vulnerable people and wholly unacceptable."
Sources claimed when he wrote the letter he was unaware of the alleged links to terror.
They added: "Jeremy was approached by his constituent prior to the trial, and wrote a letter on his behalf as is standard for a constituency MP.
"This was before the full facts of the case had emerged, and was on the basis that Jeremy was informed the constituent needed to be at home with his children and would not abscond and could not travel abroad."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Christmas.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Mr Corbyn's spokesman said: "Jeremy Corbyn condemns the actions of his constituent as appalling acts against vulnerable people and wholly unacceptable."
Sources claimed when he wrote the letter he was unaware of the alleged links to terror.
They added: "Jeremy was approached by his constituent prior to the trial, and wrote a letter on his behalf as is standard for a constituency MP.
"This was before the full facts of the case had emerged, and was on the basis that Jeremy was informed the constituent needed to be at home with his children and would not abscond and could not travel abroad."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Christmas.html

But with respect - No one is claiming that Corbyn knew of any terror links when he intervened on Dahir's behalf, and I even pointed this out in my original post.

The points that are being missed or ignored here, are, that:

a) Corbyn was a politician of many years standing - a holder of Public Office.
b) Corbyn was a close friend of Dahir's family.
c) Corbyn KNEW that Dahir was charged with swindling the life savings of old aged pensioners.
d) Corbyn still elected to involve himself on behalf of Dahir.

All of which add up to a pretty damning indictment of Corbyn's character and morals in that he used his parliamentary position to intercede on Dahir's behalf because he was 'close friends with the family'.

Is this example of 'Political Nepotism' not alarming at all? Does it not fall squarely in those same areas as 'Cash For Questions'? 'Cash For Influence'? and other examples of 'personal self-serving' by politicians over 'public duty'?

Does it not at least trigger some misgivings in those who - as Northern Monkey so adroitly couches it - "Can find no fault with St Corbyn"?

I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn in the face of one revelation after another exposing how dangerous and treacherous an idiot he is, simply because he is the Labour Party Leader.

Peter Mandleson said in an article condemning Corbyn:

"The British prefer opportunity over privilege, and fairness over entitlement"

Corbyn uses his political office to intervene on the part of a family friend - a Muslim - charged with conning OAP's out of their life savings and his supporters are quick to defend their saviour and dismiss this, as: "only "representing his constituents" or "writing a letter, is all" - but had it been David Cameron using his political position to influence a Court's decision in the matter of 'Tristram Ponsonby-Smythe, the son of the 14th Earl of Bummington, an Investment Banker charged with swindling the million pound life savings of pensioners, or Nigel Farage using his non-political celebrity status to intervene in the Judicial Process on behalf of ''Alf Whitevan-Man' charged with 'Racial Intimidation', then what a Hue and Cry there would be from these same misguided Corbyn stalwarts. What a furious flurry of copying and pasting of reportage there would be in order to CONDEMN Cameron and Farage.

And it would NOT be propaganda - Oh No. It would be fair comment.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn.

Then you don't fully grasp just how much damage Camerosborne have been doing to some people and families... I think can be the only answer to that.

As for the rest of it, I don't really know / haven't looked into it, but I would say that it sounds like a lot of conclusions are being jumped to based on very flimsy logic.

e.g.

a) Corbyn was a politician of many years standing - a holder of Public Office.

Yes true but as has been pointed out, MPs often (and indeed, are supposed to) get involved in things on behalf of their constituents if they are approached. They are after all, elected by those people AS a representative. People write to their MPs about all sorts of things looking for support. He may have given support a bit TOO freely without enough examination... but that's hardly unique to him, or to MPs.

b) Corbyn was a close friend of Dahir's family.

According to... Dahir's family? And anecdotes in the gutter press? I'm not saying it isn't possible but I'd need a little more evidence than that.

c) Corbyn KNEW that Dahir was charged with swindling the life savings of old aged pensioners.

He knew what he was accused of. We operate on a system of "innocent until proven guilty", so that's not really relevant.

d) Corbyn still elected to involve himself on behalf of Dahir.

Well that's just a statement of fact so I can hardly argue with that...



I've said before - I'm not a Corbynite or a Labour voter. They haven't been for decades, and likely won't be again, much better for normal working people in the UK than the Tories are. Slightly better for the worst off, which is something, but not much.

However, I know a smear campaign when I see one and Corbyn is being plastered all over the walls, ceiling and floor. There's a reason for that, a political one, and it's not because he "really really is an actual Muslim terrorist in disguise"... the idea is utterly insane. It's just not true. And the constant stream of hyperbole-jammed news stories really, truly are - genuinely - little more than propaganda.

I doubt the man is a saint. I find many of his ideas to be simplistically idealistic and just not feasible, also. However - he isn't a jihadist in support of ISIS. He just isn't. Come on. If you trust our ever-wonderful Intelligence Services to catch out little groups of suicide bombers planning attacks out of their living room, then you HAVE to trust that they haven't somehow slipped up and allowed a closet terrorist to become the leader of the main opposition party to government. It would be like something out of a DC comic. "Muahahahahaaaa Batman!! I had a Nuke surgically implanted in my belly all along and now that I am in No.10 I will blow a crater in the middle of London!! Muaaaaahahahaheeheeeee"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Then you don't fully grasp just how much damage Camerosborne have been doing to some people and families... I think can be the only answer to that.

As for the rest of it, I don't really know / haven't looked into it, but I would say that it sounds like a lot of conclusions are being jumped to based on very flimsy logic.

I know only too well the damage caused by certain Conservative Government policy on some people and families T.S - I have condemned the 'Austerity Cuts' and other draconian measures on other threads - but this is totally irrelevant within the context of what I wrote, which I reproduce below:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

"I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn"


Which means that I am not defending Cameron - I did not even vote Tory - I am saying that certain people's BLIND FANATICAL SUPPORT for Corbyn DESPITE all the increasingly frequent revelations of just what a subversive idiot he is, is chiefly because of their BLIND HATRED of Cameron and the Tory Government.

In other words;

Certain people would fervently and irrationally support the bastard offspring of Karl Marx and Niccolň Machiavelli as Labour Leader just as long as that leader was opposing Cameron and the Tory Government.

There are far better candidates who should have been Labour Leader -Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, and Liz Kendall - but no one is going to try to hoodwink me that Comrade Corbyn is anything but a subversive idiot who is bad for the UK, bad for politics, and bad for the Labour Party - who will not recover from this terrorist-loving prat should he reign for much longer as leader.

As for 'Flimsy logic' T.S. - this is disingenuous of you, look this matter up, then comment.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

"I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn"


Which means that I am not defending Cameron - I did not even vote Tory - I am saying that certain people's BLIND FANATICAL SUPPORT for Corbyn DESPITE all the increasingly frequent revelations of just what a subversive idiot he is, is chiefly because of their BLIND HATRED of Cameron and the Tory Government.

In other words;

Certain people would fervently and irrationally support the bastard offspring of Karl Marx and Niccolň Machiavelli as Labour Leader just as long as that leader was opposing Cameron and the Tory Government.

No I get all of that Kirk and I agree that there are a lot of people who would support a three-legged fictional donkey brought to life by the magic of green-screen over Cameron / any Tory government... and I'm not saying that blind support of anyone is ever the RIGHT course of action... all I'm saying is that I'm not astonished that there are people who have been so blinded. It's really quite understandable. The fact that Corbyn is SO "different" to the status quo is likely what amplifies this effect, rather than the to the "Tory-lite" opposition (if you can call it that) of the last few decades. It's temporarily blinded people - they'll remember that all politicians are scumbags with agendas soon enough.

As for 'Flimsy logic' T.S. - this is disingenuous of you, look this matter up, then comment.

But what if I just can't be bothered? I have to go to work in 40 minutes and I haven't even had a shower yet. Stop bullying me by telling me to read and become informed!

[DemolitionRed]

@kirklancaster
I have never been a Conservative but that doesn't mean I don't agree with some Conservative policies. I grew up with a farther passionate about politics and I was hugely influenced (as many children are) to follow my parents beliefs and cement myself firmly in the middle... but politics are like fluid in that they constantly move and often change course. Unlike my parents who are somewhat obsessed with their staunch support of one party and much to their disapproval, I refuse to stagnate. That makes me anything but blind.

For me, the Conservative party are playing a cruel and divisive game on the minions who blindly serve them and although I don't want Corbyn to be our next prime minister, he is the ball and chain that's presently curbing Tory politics. When did we last have a party who could not only stand up to the Tories but stick with their reasoning with such passion?. Corbyn is the man who making the general public ask questions and the man who's raised more interest in British Politics for decades.

That isn't blind fanatical support, its just the right to think differently without fearing condemnation.

I'm not sure why you brought up Marx and Machiavelli, two great philosophers?.

[the truth]

Hes trying too hard to be mr nice guy and really is sitting on the fence a lot , failing to make any decisions and failing to really get involved in real politics.....which lets face it is a very very dirty business delaing with a whole load of evil people and desperate situations. sometimes a leader has to decide which people will die and how many? a leader sometimes doesn't even have the luxury of choosing for no one to die. its he dirtiest business in the world but wil he ever get his hands dirty or forever stand on the sidelines with the far left wing liberals? maybe hes more suited to protesting , campaigning and preaching. But running a country you have to risk everything, including your very soul. I just don't see him as willing to do any of that

[bots]

You won't find me often siding with Corbyn, if ever again, but MP's surgeries are busy places, with lots of assistants delegated to do the work for him. At a summary level, he was putting in a good word for someone, nothing more, nothing less. That's not a crime. He was not the decision maker. Should he be more careful, yes he should, but I bet every single MP has put in a similar recommendation for someone without knowing all the facts.

[joeysteele]

This certain Labour supporter definitely will support Corbyn,even though not my choice for leader,any day of the week over this PM we have now and as ToySoldier says because of the damage this PM and his govt have done to families and individuals too.

Just about for me and I admit I don't like the man so give a heavily biased view here, any one would be better for me as PM for another party than Cameron.
Because I have seen the devastation he has allowed to be brought into peoples lives,in my work even helping fight to put it right for them.

This was an ill advised letter,just about all MPs, I agree with the poster who said that. will have sent such letters for some constituents,before having full facts possibly too.
Also no, it would not be that on errors of some judgement that I would hammer David Cameron, just about all through the time that the Coulson chaos was unfurling, I refused to join in the condemnation of Cameron as to his judgement there.
I even said years ago, I admired him for taking the word of a trusted friend.

So this 'certain' Labour supporter,as if now being a 'certain' Labour supporter is the new bad thing on here for some,will be fair and balanced when required to be and will not nit pick and just get at someone at every opportunity.
I do against Cameron but I do not insult the man personally.
I consider him a political liar, I hate all he has done to the most vulnerable in the UK and I hate his policies on the NHS.
I find his procrastination annoying.

However,I understood the trauma he and his wife went throught at the sad loss of his son,I also often point out, I think he will be a good husband, father,friend to those in his circle too.
So maybe it is just possibly the certain supporters of other parties, who need to be more balanced and not just 'get at' 'certain' Labour supporters as was pointed out earlier.

Just because the Conservatives got an overall majority in May, does not mean it became in any way 'wrong' or 'illegal' to be a Labour member or supporter, the way some here relentlessly get at Labour supporters,should,'only in my view' become an embarrassment for them actually,because no way am I embarrassed at all to support a party that will fight tooth and nail for the most vulnerable again in society.

While being extremely happy to not support one that tries to trample such vulnerable people into the ground they walk on.

[the truth]

labour have never acknowledged the disaster they made of the economy, until they do they will never ever be trusted again

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

labour have never acknowledged the disaster they made of the economy, until they do they will never ever be trusted again

The old New Labour are now dead and buried. They turned so far right I think they fell off Beachy Head and good riddance too.

I have to say though, although the old Labour party made a mess of many things, especially the war on Iraq, they weren't responsible for bringing about economic disaster.

Economics are my friend

Edited to say: Corbyn shouldn't be expected to apologise for the old right wing LP.

[Kizzy]

Two words.. Andy Coulson.

[DemolitionRed]

Flippin ek Kizzy, where do you find these gems?!