[Jarrod]

What is there to discuss? There's no justification for saying that the child doesn't have a choice. No child has a choice in any parent decision - biological or not. Winston is a vile homophobic UKIP candidate who was gripping at straws to try and explain his comments.

[Guuki]

That was his opinion like any other opinion. Come on. He is Christian, gay couples are against his religion and he's not supporting adoptions by homosexual couples. Opinion and views like any others. Give him a break.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Guuki

That was his opinion like any other opinion. Come on. He is Christian, gay couples are against his religion and he's not supporting adoptions by homosexual couples. Opinion and views like any others. Give him a break.

How do you explain that some Christians support gay couples adopting? People who use religion to justify their homophobia are cowards. He has his own mind to form his views so blaming the bible isn't an excuse. And saying it's 'child abuse' isn't simply 'not supporting' it. It's a hateful thing to say.

[sampvt]

If you feel that a child should have the love of a mother and the guidance of a father in the traditional family way, then Winston is right.

If however you feel the kid does not need these traditional values, then he is wrong.

2 different views but any kid brought up in a male dominated environment will have to run the gauntlet of kids at school who are not as forgiving as our PC society and might find they have gender issues which they might follow just to please their adopted parents.

Personally I believe in the sanctity of the traditional marriage and family life, but that's the way I was brought up.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If you feel that a child should have the love of a mother and the guidance of a father in the traditional family way, then Winston is right.

If however you feel the kid does not need these traditional values, then he is wrong.

2 different views but any kid brought up in a male dominated environment will have to run the gauntlet of kids at school who are not as forgiving as our PC society and might find they have gender issues which they might follow just to please their adopted parents.

Personally I believe in the sanctity of the traditional marriage and family life, but that's the way I was brought up.

I also believe that the ideal enviroment for a child is a mum and dad.A balanced upbringing and view of the world.

[Shaun]

Because mums can't offer guidance and fathers can't offer love I suppose.

[Niamh.]

I believe a child needs love, stability and interest

[Northern Monkey]

There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

Like what? And do you know any kids who have been brought up by same sex parents that have turned out unbalanced?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Like what? And do you know any kids who have been brought up by same sex parents that have turned out unbalanced?

No but plenty with single mothers.Men and women both have things they're better at.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No but plenty with single mothers.Men and women both have things they're better at.

What are women better at? What are men better at?

These patriarchal societal rules are being rewritten, there in essence is nothing that one gender is and better or worse at than the other, it's gender socialisation that perpetuates these 'norms'.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What are women better at? What are men better at?

These patriarchal societal rules are being rewritten, there in essence is nothing that one gender is and better or worse at than the other, it's gender socialisation that perpetuates these 'norms'.

And this is rubbish.Just because people want everything to be perfectly equal guess what....... They are not.Genetics dictate otherwise.Men and women both have their strengths and weaknesses.That's life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

If I died in the morning I would be 100% confident that my husband could give my kids everything they need

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If I died in the morning I would be 100% confident that my husband could give my kids everything they need

I'm sure he could do an excellent job just as i'd hope i could but i know that they also need their mums love in the perfect enviroment.Women are just better at certain things imo.My kids run straight to their mum if they hurt themself for comfort but come to me for other things like if they're scared.Things like that.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are certain qualities that a mother brings to the table that a man just can't do as well and vice versa.Kids need both imo for a balanced upbringing.

Gender roles are a social construct

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Gender roles are a social construct

It's all very well typing sound bites like that but when you have kids and see the benefits they get from their mother,Specially with boys then experience says otherwise.There is no substitute for a mothers love and a fathers.I'm sure two males or females can do an adequate job but is adequate good enough?I would prefer the best possible enviroment.But hey that might just be me.
People wanting kids VS Best enviroment for kids to grow into balanced adults.
The latter wins for me.Some people seem to think having children is a right,No matter the consequences.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's all very well typing sound bites like that but when you have kids and see the benefits they get from their mother,Specially with boys then experience says otherwise.There is no substitute for a mothers love and a fathers.I'm sure two males or females can do an adequate job but is adequate good enough?I would prefer the best possible enviroment.But hey that might just be me.
People wanting kids VS Best enviroment for kids to grow into balanced adults.
The latter wins for me.Some people seem to think having children is a right,No matter the consequences.

What a load of rubbish. Whether or not parents are good or not depends how they dedicate themselves to their children, not the gender of each of them.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

What a load of rubbish. Whether or not parents are good or not depends how they dedicate themselves to their children, not the gender of each of them.

Nobodies saying they can't be "good" parents.However two good mums or two good dads just is'nt the same as a good mum and dad.

[seanraff07]

Makes zero sense, you don't get an option biologically.

The guy is a prat, that's the summary of this debate.

[LukeB]

what he said made no sense, the child don't get a choice with straight couples either.. so it's no different to a gay couple.. so he is an idiot

[Tom4784]

He's just a bigoted idiot that was desperately trying to hide it.

[zakman440]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He's just a bigoted idiot that was desperately trying to hide it.

.

[karezza]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He's just a bigoted idiot that was desperately trying to hide it.

Everyone is someone else's bigot.

[T*]

The child doesn't have a ****ing choice in anything anyway

[Vicky.]

Children dont ever get a choice in who their parents are, it was a bizarre way of trying to justify his views