[EspeonBB]

In a lot of cases 'ghetto' is just a substitute for 'black' and ghettos are mainly associated with black people even if white people do live in them

[crazycolaist]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

In a lot of cases 'ghetto' is just a substitute for 'black' and ghettos are mainly associated with black people even if white people do live in them

That itself is a stereotype, There are many white slums i.e "Ghettos" in the world. You guys really need get out your respected countries more no offence.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by crazycolaist

That itself is a stereotype, There are many white slums i.e "Ghettos" in the world. You guys really need get out your respected countries more no offence.

To people like Megan the word "ghetto" is only associated to black end of story.

[kirklancaster]

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto' and to defend the indefensible is laughable.

And I am no P.C. aficionado.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is all about context. She WAS intending to be racist when she used the word and she realised her intention.

The word 'Ghetto' is no more offensive than the words 'Council house' - until they are used in a an intentionally derogotary manner:

Can the phrase; "Get back to your council house" BE anything other than insulting?

American blacks DO use the 'N' word as a term of endearment when talking to each other or about each other, but that very same word has far more offensive intent when used by a non-black person to describe a black person.

There was simply NO other reason for Megan to use the word 'Ghetto' and to defend the indefensible is laughable.

And I am no P.C. aficionado.

I agree with this completely, there's no point going over what the literal meaning of 'ghetto' is and the fact that there are white ghetto's etc, because the issue is how it was intended. You've surprised me with this post actually Kirk, because I know how much you dislike the 'race card' and PC bull**** etc But even though there will be many people claiming that the 'race card' is being used in this situation, I think the reality is that there is a lot of racism in the world, and there are a lot of people who have racist thoughts, even if it's just on a mild level, so of course it's going to rear it's head when you lock 16 different people in a house together. Even if it isn't explicit, it's still important to be able to recognise it when it happens otherwise nothing will ever change

[crazycolaist]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

To people like Megan & the public the word "ghetto" is only associated to black people when they're uneducated and haven't gone out much.

FTFY.

she seems just as uneducated as the people who are moaning.

[Beso]

She is from the ghetto though and sure acts like shes in one, so the comment was a fair one.

[Edna Mode]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She is from the ghetto though and sure acts like shes in one, so the comment was a fair one.

She's from Utica. That's not the ghetto. It's close to upstate New York, which is more wilderness than anything. Don't be ignorant and don't speak it you don't know what you're talking about.

[Tom4784]

It was obviously intended as a racial insult and it'd be an outrage if she isn't pulled up on it.

[RodHull]

Oh to be clear I hope shes booted Im sick of her miserable face just making a wider point

[Carl Jayson]

Megan is a disgusting rat, I'll spit on her if I go on BOTS during her eviction.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Carl Jayson

Megan is a disgusting rat, I'll spit on her if I go on BOTS during her eviction.

This I agree with for a whole host of reasons, but I wouldnt waste my spit on her tbh

[AarynGriesfan]

She shouldn't have used the word ghetto she could have gotten her point across without phrasing it like that but she clearly wasn't thinking properly when she went on that epic and amazing rant. I don't think the intent behind her saying that was motivated by racists thoughts though.

[Cal.]

I don't think she'll get away with it. My mum doesn't even watch CBB and when I saw her this morning she asked about the girl being racist.

[chuff me dizzy]

You hear black people claim they from the ghetto all the time PC Britain ,what a bloody joke

[alex_front2]

But Chuff black people are not all the same, some claim to be from middle class life's and this is seldom seen in media.

Some black people listen to radio 2,3,4,5,6, and like indie rock and classical music. Not all black people like "urban" music like rap. News flash we are just as diverse as white people.

In Namibia and Botswana heavy metal is popular.
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/1...tswana-africa/.

Some black people live in affluent neighborhoods like Kensington - the most expensive area in UK. Guess which race is the fastest growing home owners in this area? Yep, black people. Yet you still see middle / affluent class depicted as white people and black people only living in estates.

Ł1 in Ł3 spent in Harrods is now a Nigerian

http://www.tatler.com/news/articles/...s-have-arrived

Black people enjoy going to art galleries, museums , watch Scandi dramas, reading graphic novels and comic books, classic and contemporary literary novlists like Honore de Balzac, Gunter Grass, as well as Terry Pratchett's Disc world books, black people like doing triathlons, (horse) riding, drinking Chilean wine, walking in coutryside, skiing in Gstaad or holidaying in the Loire Valley, the Dordogne, family holiday in Ibiza, Dubrovnik, Cornwall, Laos, Peru, or Lithuania. Black people can be hedge fund managers, lawyers, chemical engineers, tech entrepreneurs, and interior designers, send their kids to private schools, shop at farmers markets, antique fairs, eat kale and quinoa.

Yet these things are depicted as being for white people.

Black people are mainly shown as being loud, uncouth, poor , jive talking, stupid, criminal, aggressive, rabid and wanton, violent and uneducated , only able to make money via crime, sports mainly football or rap music and its pi$$es me off. When Newsnight wanted a perspective from a young black person to discuss politics a few years back, did they go to Cambridge University or speak to the growing number of black tech entrepreneurs? Nope Jeremy Paxman spoke to rapper Dizzy Rascal.

Tiff for all her nasty behavior is way way way smarter and articulate than the thicko younger women Gemma, Megan, Kristina, Stephanie. None of them probably even know what the word "vernacular "mean. Let alone use it correctly like Tiff.

[sampvt]

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

Nope not true, most pimps, drug dealers are actually white.

I am black and I've never used the N word. Like I said black middle class in UK is growing. You might be one of those whites who hate seeing blacks do well and find it reassuring to believe black people are from some sort of underclass but your stereotype is hilariously wrong.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The main reason why the Ghettos are atoned to blacks and drug deals and pimps are also depicted as predominantly black is an actual fact, not fiction. You can argue against fact and call it racism. Blacks call each other N.......s and brag thy are from the hood or the ghetto yet it seems controversial when a white utters these words. White trash is extremely racist but its not seen as a racist utterance, I wonder why.

[Edna Mode]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You clearly aren't able to grasp the concept of reclaiming words.
You know it was goddamn racist and your continued and almost obsessive hate towards her on this board is questionable in itself.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.
First of all, the term "ghetto" in this case is being used in an American sense, not a European sense by referring to "ghetto" in a way to describe being "low class black."
Although Megan is British, we know she was using "ghetto" in its pop-culturally and culturally intended meaning, in which it's referring to African Americans of low income and class. She certainly wasn't referring to the Warsaw ghettos or anything like that. She was using the term in the sense promoted by popculture, in reference towards African Americans.

Now, with reclaiming a word. Think of it like this. If somebody tossed a water balloon at you every morning, reclaiming a word is grabbing that water ballon from them and holding it in your hand so that they can't hit you with it anymore and cause the same amount of water damage.

That's what reclaiming a word does. Now, that applies more to the use of the "n word" within Black communities rather than the term ghetto. Though some rappers use the term in reference to where they may have once grew up because it is true that many African Americans grow up in low income urban areas that would commonly be referred to as "the ghetto," this word being applied to Tiffany most certainly does have a racial connotation. Why?


1. Tiffany isn't from "the ghetto." She's from Utica. A small city near upstate New York State, a few miles away from mountains, wilderness, and forest.

2. Megan was clearly going to say "another word" before pausing for a minute and saying the c word. what was she going to say? Pause the video and look at her teeth, lips, and mouth. Now go to a mirror and make an n sound. Note the similarities.

She did use this word in a racial context. She was drunk, she was angry. Furthermore, I think she knew she got caught making a racial comment, hence why, after she did and security came in, she suddenly started begging everybody, "don't put this on Telly! You can't put it on telly!"

Yes, she said a word that has a racial connotation to it.
She was using it in a demeaning way to say that Tiffany was low class and black.

As someone who studies language as well as culture and pop culture for a living, I can assure you that that word was not said by Megan in a non-racial way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Edna Mode

You clearly aren't able to grasp the concept of reclaiming words.
You know it was goddamn racist and your continued and almost obsessive hate towards her on this board is questionable in itself.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.
First of all, the term "ghetto" in this case is being used in an American sense, not a European sense by referring to "ghetto" in a way to describe being "low class black."
Although Megan is British, we know she was using "ghetto" in its pop-culturally and culturally intended meaning, in which it's referring to African Americans of low income and class. She certainly wasn't referring to the Warsaw ghettos or anything like that. She was using the term in the eu promoted by popculture, in reference towards African Americans.

Now, with reclaiming a word. Think of it like this. If somebody tossed a water balloon at you every morning, reclaiming a word is grabbing that water ballon from them and holding it in your hand so that they can't hit you with it anymore and cause the same amount of water damage.

That's what reclaiming a word does. Now, that applies more to the use of the "n word" within Black communities rather than the term ghetto. Though some rappers use the term in reference to where they may have once grew up because it is true that many African Americans grow up in low income urban areas that would commonly be referred to as "the ghetto," this word being applied to Tiffany most certainly does have a racial connotation. Why?


1. Tiffany isn't from "the ghetto." She's from Utica. A small city near upstate New York State, a few miles away from mountains, wilderness, and forest.

2. Megan was clearly going to say "another word" before pausing for a minute and saying the c word. what was she going to say? Pause the video and look at her teeth, lips, and mouth. Now go to a mirror and make an n sound. Note the similarities.

She did use this word in a racial context. She was drunk, she was angry. Furthermore, I think she knew she got caught making a racial comment, hence why, after she did and security came in, she suddenly started begging everybody, "don't put this on Telly! You can't put it on telly!"

Yes, she said a word that has a racial connotation to it.
She was using it in a demeaning way to say that Tiffany was low class and black.

As someone who studies language as well as culture and pop culture for a living, I can assure you that that word was not said by Megan in a non-racial way.

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

EXACTLY !!! Isn't it pathetic ?

[Headie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you understand that black people have had terms like this used against them, as a way of demeaning them, for hundreds of years.

How old are these people 200 years old?

I would imagine most black people under 40 have never heard it uttered by anyone apart from a black person

I've heard lots of white people say it in my area and I really don't like it. So please don't speak for me or anyone else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

can someone explain "why" its racist?

ghetto is not race specific last time I looked

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the word was first used in 1611 to describe a quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were restricted. (One theory is that it is derived from the Italian "borghetto", meaning a little borough, or from "getto", a foundry, as an early Jewish ghetto in Venice was created on the site of a former foundry.)


I am sure Pollard says she is "ghetto"

The word is widely used in America to mean poor, urban and cheap......

like redneck is for poor, country and cheap

You can even buy ghettopoly

[Crimson Dynamo]