[Livia]

I like my bananas bendy...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I like my bananas bendy...

Tmi
Lol

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Tmi
Lol

LOL....

[lostalex]

based on results... obviously Capitalism.

People need to have hope. if you have no hope that you can lift yourself higher then there is no reason to wake up in the morning. if everyone is just limited and equal then it's like being an animal in a zoo.

everyone gets just the right amount of food, and everyone gets just the same amount of play time, and everyone gets just the same amount of attention. it's like being an animal in a cage. people need to believe that they can earn more, and create whatever they want to create.

We are not animals in a zoo that all get taken care of by BIG BROTHER. People like and prefer to take care of themselves! it gives them self confidence and hope and satisfaction.

we don't want to be plants that are watered by the government. we can take care of ourselves!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

based on results... obviously Capitalism.

People need to have hope. if you have no hope that you can lift yourself higher then there is no reason to wake up in the morning. if everyone is just limited and equal then it's like being an animal in a zoo.

everyone gets just the right amount of food, and everyone gets just the same amount of play time, and everyone gets just the same amount of attention. it's like being an animal in a cage. people need to believe that they can earn more, and create whatever they want to create.

We are not animals in a zoo that all get taken care of by BIG BROTHER. People like and prefer to take care of themselves! it gives them self confidence and hope and satisfaction.

we don't want to be plants that are watered by the government. we can take care of ourselves!

And yet thanks to capitalism that's what many of us have become, wage slaves chasing the next paycheck trapped in gray conurbations surrounded by the like.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And yet thanks to capitalism that's what many of us have become, wage slaves chasing the next paycheck trapped in gray conurbations surrounded by the like.

but capitalism is no where near as bad as communism/socialism.. north korea, china, cuba, venuzuela...

if you want to know the truth, look at migration. people vote with their feet.

How many Chinese try to move to America every year VS. how many Americans try to move to China every year?

[Kizzy]

well human rights may have a part to play too there Alex come on be fair

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

well human rights may have a part to play too there Alex come on be fair

Umm, well yea kizzy, duh.. obviously there is a pattern that countries that are economically restricting also have major issues with human rights... the point is that when the government takes control it's gonna discriminate against a lot of people, the government is there to RESTRICT people. The more powerful the government the more restrictions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Umm, well yea kizzy, duh.. obviously there is a pattern that countries that are economically restricting also have major issues with human rights... the point is that when the government takes control it's gonna discriminate against a lot of people, the government is there to RESTRICT people. The more powerful the government the more restrictions.

You say that like it's a good thing, what about the US and gun laws, where's the restriction from people waving guns about?
Any govt with discrimination at it's core sounds corrupt to me.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You say that like it's a good thing, what about the US and gun laws, where's the restriction from people waving guns about?
Any govt with discrimination at it's core sounds corrupt to me.

Um, there are very strict laws in the US against people "waving guns about" so i'm not sure what you mean?

I've lived here for 34 years, and i've never seen anyone waving a gun. and i would most certainly call 911 if i did see it.

[Kizzy]

That was just the example that popped in my head sorry, I don't feel that economic restriction and lack of human rights should be interlinked, removal of human rights is happening here now, in a capitalist society.
Personally I would like to see a more socialist perspective in the UK (with human rights too) I'd like to see all sectors unionised and regulated too for balance.

[DemolitionRed]

The rich of this country rely very much on the social system. Capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. Look what happened when the banks crashed; the government stepped in and bailed them out but did they bail out Joe Blogs when Sainsbury’s stopped buying things from his small business? Of course they didn’t because Joe Blogs lives within a Capitalist society which is sink or swim for small time businesses like his.

Supermarket profits are on the up since the government built in schemes to send in workers free of charge in return for work experience stacking shelves. Tax credits have ensured corporate companies can get away with paying a minimum wage because the government will subsidize what they don’t want to pay. All these big business benefit from tax payers money. State aid/subsidy for the big boys is at an all time high. Contrast that with the benefit sanctions for the poor in the name of ‘austerity.’

We are looking at a style of capitalism that has gone very wrong. A style of capitalism that creates unaffordable borrowing, ridiculous house pricing and massive amounts of poverty.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing but this isn’t capitalism, that’s just a name they’ve given it to con us all into believing we need to try harder because there may just be a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The rich of this country rely very much on the social system. Capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. Look what happened when the banks crashed; the government stepped in and bailed them out but did they bail out Joe Blogs when Sainsbury’s stopped buying things from his small business? Of course they didn’t because Joe Blogs lives within a Capitalist society which is sink or swim for small time businesses like his.

Supermarket profits are on the up since the government built in schemes to send in workers free of charge in return for work experience stacking shelves. Tax credits have ensured corporate companies can get away with paying a minimum wage because the government will subsidize what they don’t want to pay. All these big business benefit from tax payers money. State aid/subsidy for the big boys is at an all time high. Contrast that with the benefit sanctions for the poor in the name of ‘austerity.’

We are looking at a style of capitalism that has gone very wrong. A style of capitalism that creates unaffordable borrowing, ridiculous house pricing and massive amounts of poverty.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing but this isn’t capitalism, that’s just a name they’ve given it to con us all into believing we need to try harder because there may just be a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.

Of course we're just rats on a wheel, some may have better straw and a bigger wheel but you're no less rat.