[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I don't agree with you Yaki Da ...I don't think that most the country couldn't care less about homophobic sports personalities being awarded ....most of us don't want to award homophobic wanders with any kind of prize...
If the boxer thinks he is superior to gay people than your thread is a complete contradiction and hypocritical, wouldn't you agree....you don't care if a bigotted boxer thinks he's superior but you care that you think Andy is.

Well said!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I don't agree with you Yaki Da ...I don't think that most the country couldn't care less about homophobic sports personalities being awarded ....most of us don't want to award homophobic wanders with any kind of prize...
If the boxer thinks he is superior to gay people than your thread is a complete contradiction and hypocritical, wouldn't you agree....you don't care if a bigotted boxer thinks he's superior but you care that you think Andy is.

I disagree that it's a contradiction, depending on how the Tyson Fury thing is viewed anyway. Personally I don't think Andy was in the right about the Tyson Fury situation because it was an award for his sporting achievements, his personal views should have been irrelevant. So I can dislike Tyson Fury as a person, but at the same time recognise that if he's earned a sporting award then so be it. In the same way that I can dislike Andy, but if he were to win a Journalism award then so be it. Not caring about Tyson's award doesn't in any way mean that a person thinks his views are acceptable or that they'd want him to have a prize.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I disagree that it's a contradiction, depending on how the Tyson Fury thing is viewed anyway. Personally I don't think Andy was in the right about the Tyson Fury situation because it was an award for his sporting achievements, his personal views should have been irrelevant. So I can dislike Tyson Fury as a person, but at the same time recognise that if he's earned a sporting award then so be it. In the same way that I can dislike Andy, but if he were to win a Journalism award then so be it. Not caring about Tyson's award doesn't in any way mean that a person thinks his views are acceptable or that they'd want him to have a prize.

The contradiction and hypocricy isn't so much the difference between the boxers public achievements and personal values

The contradiction is to not care less that the boxer believes he is superior to gay people yet at the same time care very much and dislike Andy for believing he thinks he is superior ....that makes no sense to me....dislike Andy for other reasons but to dislike Andy cause you thinks he's superior has no value if you approve the same quality in someone else.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The contradiction and hypocricy isn't so much the difference between the boxers public achievements and personal values

The contradiction is to not care less that the boxer believes he is superior to gay people yet at the same time care very much and dislike Andy for believing he thinks he is superior ....that makes no sense to me....dislike Andy for other reasons but to dislike Andy cause you thinks he's superior has no value if you approve the same quality in someone else.

For me though, I do care that the boxer thinks he's superior, in terms of me judging him as a person, I just don't think it should effect whether or not he gets a sporting award. So me not caring about or me being approving of the award isn't me being approving of his views, it's just that I wouldn't take my personal dislike of him into consideration. That's what I meant by the Andy/journalism award analogy, my personal opinion of him wouldn't make me think he doesn't deserve an award for something that's not based on who he is as a person.
I dislike them both for their superiority, but wouldn't care about either being awarded based on their careers.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

For me though, I do care that the boxer thinks he's superior, in terms of me judging him as a person, I just don't think it should effect whether or not he gets a sporting award. So me not caring about or me being approving of the award isn't me being approving of his views, it's just that I wouldn't take my personal dislike of him into consideration. That's what I meant by the Andy/journalism award analogy, my personal opinion of him wouldn't make me think he doesn't deserve an award for something that's not based on who he is as a person.
I dislike them both for their superiority, but wouldn't care about either being awarded based on their careers.

Well that also fine if you think that, you're right and there are other public figures who are the same, some award winning actors for example are admired in spite of their controversial views and of course you don't support his attitude as a person, I know that
Personally I think public figures have a responsibility to help change views like his but it doesn't impact on their ability to be good performers and it doesn't mean everyone has to agree with me.
I agree with Andy making a stand against him and I think it shows he has courage and integrity by doing so....but the thing I disagreed with most in the post was saying that most people could care less about that stuff...I don't think that's the case and most people do.
Andy thinks the guy should not be awarded because he is homophobic but if people don't think that then of course they are not gonna see it as a positive thing about Andys personality.
If believing himself superior isn't a reason to dislike one as a boxer then believing himself superior shouldn't be a reason to dislike another as a housemate.... I see loads of other reasons people cud not like Andy but I don't think that can be one for people who don't judge the boxer because of it.
Looks like we may have to agree to disagree The jury could be out for quite a while on this one

[Maria26]

But Andy is not standing up to Georgina LOL They had one argument and they made up. Period. That's call being adults.

[Samm]

He's really smug and patronising

[reece(:]

I said this Day 1!

[Withano]

He's a good guy

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Withano

He's a good guy

[LemonJam]

he's the best. His diary room sessions have been the highlight to me so far.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

he's the best. His diary room sessions have been the highlight to me so far.

This year dark horse

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

he's the best. His diary room sessions have been the highlight to me so far.

When he said "If there's any justice, as Lemar sang"

He showed how witty he really is.

[Yaki da]

Good evening, in the news tonight...

Andy is still an insufferable pompous arse.

[Kazanne]

Lets all be honest here the reason Andy is getting so much backlash is that he dared confront Georgina and the fans are having none of it,ANY of the housemates that do that will be in the firing line,watch this space.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Lets all be honest here the reason Andy is getting so much backlash is that he dared confront Georgina and the fans are having none of it,ANY of the housemates that do that will be in the firing line,watch this space.

That's the reason I like him.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Lets all be honest here the reason Andy is getting so much backlash is that he dared confront Georgina and the fans are having none of it,ANY of the housemates that do that will be in the firing line,watch this space.

Can only speak for myself Kaz but I've been posting my dislike for Andy since launchAnd I'm not a Georgina fan either.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Can only speak for myself Kaz but I've been posting my dislike for Andy since launchAnd I'm not a Georgina fan either.

Oh I'm not saying everyone Jamie,but some who are Georgina fans will turn against whichever housemate confronts her,I get some people don't like Andy as a person and theres no problem with that.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh I'm not saying everyone Jamie,but some who are Georgina fans will turn against whichever housemate confronts her,I get some people don't like Andy as a person and theres no problem with that.

you don't mean Maria26 i hope, she's very passionate about supporting Georgina, like i'm passionate about supporting her


Kaz, i respect you, Andy and Georgina already made up like adults, so i think we are the only ones still discussing it

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh I'm not saying everyone Jamie,but some who are Georgina fans will turn against whichever housemate confronts her,I get some people don't like Andy as a person and theres no problem with that.

Same...I think this too Kazanne....if I disliked any housemate who wasn't friends with Marco I would now be up sh-t creek without a paddle....

It's not a good basis to work from IMO

I liked Marco, Georgina and Andy yet they all clearly hated each other... It has no bearing on my choices

[hot2go]

If every housemate liked Georgina then she would be doing something very wrong....but even more importantly, she would have a really crap profile and would prob get evicted early ...imagine Natalie without her enemy Huey....or Chelsea without his enemy Andrew, the guy was invisible till Andrew arrived....
Georgina's enemy's are as important as her friends...if you wanna keep her profile alive then you should be keeping her enemies in not voting them out....same rule applies to every one of the housemates in there....
If Evelyn and Sam dont get off the fence and start making some enemies they will be toast very soon,
Enemies or competition is a good thing not a bad one.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by hot2go

If every housemate liked Georgina then she would be doing something very wrong....but even more importantly, she would have a really crap profile and would prob get evicted early ...imagine Natalie without her enemy Huey....or Chelsea without his enemy Andrew, the guy was invisible till Andrew arrived....
Georgina's enemy's are as important as her friends...if you wanna keep her profile alive then you should be keeping her enemies in not voting them out....same rule applies to every one of the housemates in there....
If Evelyn and Sam dont get off the fence and start making some enemies they will be toast very soon,
Enemies or competition is a good thing not a bad one.

that's true, you need to stay interesting or entertaining, that's why i think Evelyn or Sam might be in a bit trouble, Evelyn disappointed me, i saw a fierce diva in her, i only see a very quiet too shy girl who will be evicted soon

[Lstan]

Like I said on another thread hes ok I would talk to him but he is haughty which would put some people off wanting to talk to him in the house.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Lstan

Like I said on another thread hes ok I would talk to him but he is haughty which would put some people off wanting to talk to him in the house.

I can see Georgina and her posse trying to isolate him.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can see Georgina and her posse trying to isolate him.

I agree Vanessa and i also dont think she has let Hoodiegate go either.