[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Not being heard doesn't make racism justified. They're not the same. For example the same person that said that he's allowed to have pride like the Welsh and Scots fair enough but then he posted a pic of a golliwog. He didn't have to go there. He's racist.

Anyway I thought you were Jewish?

[starry]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

I think some people just want more control of their own country rather than just some unelected German and French EU commissioners threatening us from abroad.

The fact is this country is split and has been for some time. The electoral system ignores that and disenfranchises people, but a referendum actually gives people a voice.

I think there is a great deal of scaremongering and some people seem to want things to go bad just because things didn't go their way. The way to address things properly is to listen to people, treat everyone with respect whether they are on the same side or not, and move forward. But with the dictatorial way the country has been run getting governing politicians to accept a more consensus approach won't be easy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by starry

The fact is this country is split and has been for some time. The electoral system ignores that and disenfranchises people, but a referendum actually gives people a voice.

Had it been a resounding voice, sure, as it is though all it really did is confirm that the country is indeed split pretty much 50-50. Half of the country still living in a world that they didn't want or vote for. How is that any different to the electoral system?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Poor Trish Adudu Some racist had a field day calling someone a Pak-- then turning to BBc news reporter "n----- go home "

https://twitter.com/imajsaclaimant/s...73437713272833

Racist bastards you need the diversity. How often do you bloody spend abroad cause you can't bear your own country for more than a few working months. Those that have money make the choice to not even stay here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Poor Trish Adudu Some racist had a field day calling someone a Pak-- then turning to BBc news reporter "n----- go home "

https://twitter.com/imajsaclaimant/s...73437713272833

Racist bastards you need the diversity. How often do you bloody spend abroad cause you can't bear your own country for more than a few working months. Those that have money make the choice to not even stay here.

..yeah I read that a few days after the referendum vote outcome, CeeCee...mind you, sadly I don't think it's because of the outcome as such because I think that it would have been the same with a small percentage Remain win...it's that delusion that there are 'many voices' in the prejudice that is felt by a few....it's now making those voices realise that they are isolated in their racial prejudice...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I read that a few days after the referendum vote outcome, CeeCee...mind you, sadly I don't think it's because of the outcome as such because I think that it would have been the same with a small percentage Remain win...it's that delusion that there are 'many voices' in the prejudice that is felt by a few....it's now making those voices realise that they are isolated in their racial prejudice...

I do not mind the Public On TV.

But other Day Jamelia, on LWHD (itv)
took over the start of the show
but could not confirm who it was
who was rude to her?
No photo - No Confirmation
of his uniform?
The Police are helping her
LWHD told us.


That was not in the Papers , much
so some things become Promo's

[bots]

I heard an interesting aside yesterday. There is an historic geographical reason why we have an issue with immigration. We are an island! We have never in our history had people able to freely cross our borders. Mainland europe, being land connected, have always had people crossing their borders, so they just don't see anything wrong with it, because its always been that way. Its a fundamental difference borne from geographical history.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I heard an interesting aside yesterday. There is an historic geographical reason why we have an issue with immigration. We are an island! We have never in our history had people abe to freely cross our borders. Mainland europe, being land connected, have always had people crossing their borders, so they just don't see anything wrong with it, because its always been that way. Its a fundamental difference born from geographical history.

Interesting point to ponder there BOTS.

[Cherie]

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.

Oh lighten up Livia

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.

Thank goodness our actions didn't have any knock-on effect throughout global history that would have been rly rly bad.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

Funny how all brits should be held responsible for invading countries hundreds of years ago, but when a muslim commits a terrorist attack it is suddenly #NotAllMuslims.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

It does indeed Jaxie, peace in NI has been wonderful I hope it remains and I can say I was misty eyed when the Queen visited the Republic

[Northern Monkey]

There are racist incidents reported every week and always have been and always will be.I think this article is quite misleading trying to blame it on the fact that we've left the EU.If you read it they've just found one racist incident and conflated it with the referendum to make a story.There always has been racism and always will be in every country.Hell i've faced it from gangs of asians and blacks on multiple occasions in the past.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There are racist incidents reported every week and always have been and always will be.I think this article is quite misleading trying to blame it on the fact that we've left the EU.If you read it they've just found one racist incident and conflated it with the referendum to make a story.There always has been racism and always will be in every country.Hell i've faced it from gangs of asians and blacks on multiple occasions in the past.

Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.

As you say though.Brexit did'nt make these people racist.They almost certainly already were and would have been without Brexit.I don't think the referendum made people racist so finding a racist incident and titling it 'Racism on the rise in UK following EU referendum' is blatent propaganda to get people to read.Normal tolerant people aren't turning racist because we had a referendum.These people already existed long before.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

As you say though.Brexit did'nt make these people racist.They almost certainly already were and would have been without Brexit.I don't think the referendum made people racist so finding a racist incident and titling it 'Racism on the rise in UK following EU referendum' is blatent propaganda to get people to read.Normal tolerant people aren't turning racist because we had a referendum.These people already existed long before.

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

[ThriceShy]

Looks like the worm has turned.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Brexit supporters in the main probably are just as keen to stamp it out.There are racist people who will obviously jump on the referendum to vent their views but that does'nt represent all or even most of the leave side.
I don't think the Brexit result is 'borne of xenophobia and isolationism'.There will obviously be elements who voted for it for those reasons but those elements are a minority.
Having the ability to decide who you want to enter your borders is not xenophobic and nobody is saying we will be isolated(well apart from remain scaremongerers of course).
I also don't think that believing that a country's infrastructure can only take so much and there has to be an upper limit somewhere is xenophobic.No government has been able to build enough housing and just piling in more and more people only takes that situation further out of reach.Mass uncontrollable immigration just adds unnecessary pressure and is not the answer.That is not xenophobic rhetoric it's just the truth.Brexit makes controlling the numbers more possible than it was.Atleast now there is'nt a whole continent with free reign to come in with us having no say of who or how many.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Exactly, everyone should be condemning this, racism is deplorable no matter who it is used against.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.

Yes, voicing these kinds of views seems a lot more common over these past couple of days. Its sad really. The views were obviously there to begin with, but now they feel validated in actually sharing them

(Again, I realised my post came across wrong before, immigration being the reason for the out vote isn't necessarily racist. But those saying things like this, are)

[Headie]

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Originally Posted by Hayden

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

I agree with both of these posts.

On the whole I think we are a incredibly open minded country and the idiots who are xenophobic/racist etc etc and in the minority. And no, I don't think that everyone who voted leave is Xenophobic, so don't try and tell me that the majority are actually in fact xenophobic.

You get xenophobic people everywhere. From what I've seen, a lot of places in Europe aren't too keen on us either...