[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Certain people were desperate to be out of Europe because they didn't like being under the control of elites who they did not elect... And yet don't seem to understand the problem with Scotland being under Westminster control. Hmm.

Westminster don't make Scotland throw away their bent carrots and spend 4 years debating chocolate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Westminster don't make Scotland throw away their bent carrots and spend 4 years debating chocolate.

Nah they just whack £15 a week taxes on the poorest and most vulnerable and force cancer patients into work.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nah they just whack £15 a week taxes on the poorest and most vulnerable and force cancer patients into work.

One of the wonders of having a government you can vote out is that pressure can be brought to bear to change bad policies.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

One of the wonders of having a government you can vote out is that pressure can be brought to bear to change bad policies.

Except that Scotland cannot vote them out... And around we go again.

[smudgie]

I have no problem with a totally independent Scotland.
We could get a visa to visit this beautiful country, no problem.
My only concern is that it is not very long since the last referendum, if Nicola was given the nod to join Europe from the other 27 countries then I can see the advantages and the reasoning behind it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I have no problem with a totally independent Scotland.
We could get a visa to visit this beautiful country, no problem.
My only concern is that it is not very long since the last referendum, if Nicola was given the nod to join Europe from the other 27 countries then I can see the advantages and the reasoning behind it.

However smudgie, she will not be holding any referendum soon, we may not actually be out of the EU for anything up to or even beyond 7 years.

She could wait until the next Holyrood elections and combine the 2.

Nothing can be done until we see what the UK negotiates and gets from the EU, it may be the final deal is not too different from what we have now in the end.
The EU will not 'deal' with Scotland until, out of respect for the UK and this vote,the matter of the UKs exit is nearer finalised.

That is when Nicola and the Scottish parliament can then have their concerns addressed,all she needs in place before, is the granting of a referendum to be so called by the Scottish govt.

The referendum does not need to be held for years.
She has that time because in my opinion, the Scottish Nationailst party will be governing Scotland for at least another decade or more.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

However smudgie, she will not be holding any referendum soon, we may not actually be out of the EU for anything up to or even beyond 7 years.

She could wait until the next Holyrood elections and combine the 2.

Nothing can be done until we see what the UK negotiates and gets from the EU, it may be the final deal is not too different from what we have now in the end.
The EU will not 'deal' with Scotland until, out of respect for the UK and this vote,the matter of the UKs exit is nearer finalised.

That is when Nicola and the Scottish parliament can then have their concerns addressed,all she needs in place before, is the granting of a referendum to be so called by the Scottish govt.

The referendum does not need to be held for years.
She has that time because in my opinion, the Scottish Nationailst party will be governing Scotland for at least another decade or more.

She has shown her interest, at least Europe now know where she stands.
Perhaps it would be wise to leave it until the next election.
I totally agree with you that Nicola Sturgeon is pretty safe as the Scottish leader. I don't personally like her, but she certainly puts her party first and will fight for her country.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

She has shown her interest, at least Europe now know where she stands.
Perhaps it would be wise to leave it until the next election.
I totally agree with you that Nicola Sturgeon is pretty safe as the Scottish leader. I don't personally like her, but she certainly puts her party first and will fight for her country.

She for sure does smudgie.

[MTVN]

Well it seems strange to me that the SNP are so affronted by the prospect of leaving one union that their response is to demand the leaving of a much more deeply embedded and longer standing union. They fear the ramifications of leaving the EU yet dismiss the consequences of breaking up the UK. Project Fear against Brexit = sensible, Project Fear against Scottish Independence = outrageous. When all experts and informed opinion line up against Brexit its a consensus, when they do it against independence its a Westminster conspiracy.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it seems strange to me that the SNP are so affronted by the prospect of leaving one union that their response is to demand the leaving of a much more deeply embedded and longer standing union. They fear the ramifications of leaving the EU yet dismiss the consequences of breaking up the UK. Project Fear against Brexit = sensible, Project Fear against Scottish Independence = outrageous. When all experts and informed opinion line up against Brexit its a consensus, when they do it against independence its a Westminster conspiracy.

[Johnnyuk123]

Is Scotland gonna be the new Greece?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Is Scotland gonna be the new Greece?

It's OK if it is, I'll just come and live with all of you in the land of gold and rainbows that is post Brexit England. Because I kidnapped one of your English wimmins and impregnated her with my Scottish penis. Muahaha, love it when a plan comes together.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's OK if it is, I'll just come and live with all of you in the land of gold and rainbows that is post Brexit England. Because I kidnapped one of your English wimmins and impregnated her with my Scottish penis. Muahaha, love it when a plan comes together.

You know it will rain right?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You know it will rain right?

Of course, how else would there be rainbows?