[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You cant just bypass all laws committed by Trans people because prisons are not safe if they dont commit the crime they wont be punished

I don't think it's about by passing laws, prisoners with severe mental health problems are Kept in secure hospitals, clearly putting trans gender into male prisons is not working.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don't think it's about by passing laws, prisoners with severe mental health problems are Kept in secure hospitals, clearly putting trans gender into male prisons is not working.

But being a murderer you should be given the same sentence as man or woman not going to a mental hospital because you dont feel safe in prison

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But being a murderer you should be given the same sentence as man or woman not going to a mental hospital because you dont feel safe in prison

Being in a mental hospital is not a holiday, we give murders hospital treatment, and in general keep them safe in prison, so if trans genders are not safe in prison we need to act despite the fact they may be murderers.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Being in a mental hospital is not a holiday, we give murders hospital treatment, and in general keep them safe in prison, so if trans genders are not safe in prison we need to act despite the fact they may be murderers.

Then we send all murderers to mental hospitals because they are all clearly unhinged?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Our prisons are too full to start making more exceptions, sorry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Our prisons are too full to start making more exceptions, sorry.

Bang On Right LT.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Our prisons are too full to start making more exceptions, sorry.

Your kidding. Our prisons are being privatized and the private system get paid per head.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Your kidding. Our prisons are being privatized and the private system get paid per head.

Yes that's what they hope
once all contracts have transferred

Of course the recent one (Riot /Fire)
is in limbo

[Livia]

Prison suicides by women have soared... rates are high anway, around 150 people a week commit suicide in prison. They're all worthy of attention.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Prison suicides by women have soared... rates are high anway, around 150 people a week commit suicide in prison. They're all worthy of attention.

Not by the Early AM BBC TV World News
sorry

[Denver]

I also agree with Vicky there are loads of deaths in prisons each day but nobody gives a **** about them but because they are trans gendered they are made superior to other inmates and criminals but if the media will make a big deal out of 4 trans people dying then they need to start being fair and letting us know of every criminals death.

[Vicky.]

Of course the answer is separate transgender wings. But separate spaces isn't what is wanted and would be 'othering'. Its a push for them to be housed in the female prison as its 'easier'. I have no issues at all with fully transitioned transwomen going to female prisons. But those with a dick or those who just put on a dress on a saturday night and call themselves trans like we see recently...nope nope nope. Clear danger to the females in prison.

[Vicky.]

Also...you never see any stories about transmen wanting to be in the male prison for some odd reason. I wonder why that is...

[Denver]

We also got to put women prisoners in to account are they going to be comfortable with it? do that want to see a willy flop about in the shower?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Adam.

We also got to put women prisoners in to account are they going to be comfortable with it? do that want to see a willy flop about in the shower?

They are also people who have committed crimes, so why should their discomfort be taken into account but the treatment of transgender people shouldn't? Somebody committing suicide because of their treatment in prison is surely a higher priority than making sure people feel 'comfortable'?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

They are also people who have committed crimes, so why should their discomfort be taken into account but the treatment of transgender people shouldn't? Somebody committing suicide because of their treatment in prison is surely a higher priority than making sure people feel 'comfortable'?

Well all i see in this Friends is trans lives matter more.

If they have not legally changed their gender status or had the right procedures on offer then they have no right to demand to be put in the right prison.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Well all i see in this Friends is trans lives matter more.

If they have not legally changed their gender status or had the right procedures on offer then they have no right to demand to be put in the right prison.

I don't think it's that they matter more, but if they matter equally and something can be done to make sure they're treated equally (rather than less-than which is how they're currently often treated by being subjected to abuses within the prison system) then that's all I think people really want. Like Douglas said earlier in the thread it's not about 'special treatment', it's just trying to ensure that they get punished by the system instead of by other prisoners.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well...we separate by sex. Male and female. So...its not about feeling comfortable as such. its about the reasons for seperating by sex to start with

Unless you believe all prisons should be mixed, then I cannot understand the idea of 'sex segregation is needed but not in some cases'

I think the reason we have separate prisons for men and women is to do with safety, mainly keeping female prisoners safe from male prisoners. So it just seems odd to me that we have that as a staple of our prison system yet when it comes to safety of other groups we don't have anything in place. I don't know what the ideal solution is but I don't accept the idea that they should just have to put with it because they're criminals. We don't accept that in regards to female prisoners so why trans prisoners?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think the reason we have separate prisons for men and women is to do with safety, mainly keeping female prisoners safe from male prisoners. So it just seems odd to me that we have that as a staple of our prison system yet when it comes to safety of other groups we don't have anything in place. I don't know what the ideal solution is but I don't accept the idea that they should just have to put with it because they're criminals. We don't accept that in regards to female prisoners so why trans prisoners?

The answer is quite obviously separate wings for transgender people. Not throwing them in with the females and thus putting the females in the very danger we were trying to avoid by separating by sex.

A hell of a lot of this 'trans' stuff seems to take '**** females and their safety' as a default position when talking about sex segregated areas. I disagree with that entirely and the obvious answer is separate areas for transgendered people. If this is 'othering'...so be it. There is NO other solution to this that doesn't throw half of the population under the bus. Females remain safe (or as safe as possible) and transgendered people are safe. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

They are also people who have committed crimes, so why should their discomfort be taken into account but the treatment of transgender people shouldn't? Somebody committing suicide because of their treatment in prison is surely a higher priority than making sure people feel 'comfortable'?

Well...we separate by sex. Male and female. So...its not about feeling comfortable as such. its about the reasons for seperating by sex to start with

Unless you believe all prisons should be mixed, then I cannot understand the idea of 'sex segregation is needed but not in some cases'

[DouglasS]

What I'm trying to say is... Males and Females are seperate in prison for a reason, to prevent deaths/harm/abuse. I'm just using the exact same logic, thinking transgendered people deserve the same rights that in this instance females have.

[Vicky.]

Prisons are separated by sex, not gender though?

Anyway, my solution won't make some happy but its the fairest/safest I can see all round really. Fully transitioned transwomen can go to female prisons. Others, a seperate wing. Those who decide they are trans after being convicted/caught, **** them as they are just looking for an easy way out of male prison.

Note. I do not include transmen in this as they don't kick up a fuss about wanting to be in with the males, or don't seem to. Seems its just about getting the 'easier prison' so to speak.

[Vicky.]

Also there is a fair bit of evidence that 'transwomen' are still a danger to women. However I say 'transwomen' as it tends to be just guys dressed in 'womens' clothes, or guys with a fetish for 'dressing as female', but how to tell these apart from 'genuine' trans women? Unfortunately those kind of people are actually classed as 'transgender' these days. Its a little silly. Even I am classed as trans as I have no feeling of being a woman..I just feel like myself. Which apparently makes me 'agender' and at the same time, puts me under the trans umbrella

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why is this in chat and games

[arista]

Originally Posted by That Girl

why is this in chat and games

my fault


up at 4AM
work

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

Transgender Folks must stay Out of UK Jails
sadly 4 have Died



Ref: BBC World News TV 5:42AM

No, many get killed in jail as they are full of dangerous people, so best to avoid indulging in behaviour likely to send you there. Transgender inmates are no different and should not be given special treatment.