[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hmm well perhaps she will invite him for tea. She does entertain all sorts of **** at Buckingham Palace, Mugabee of Zimbabwee, former tyrants of Romania etc. The Queens family themselves went over to flirt with Hitler in the 1930s and gaze at him lovingly.

so does Bercow

[DemolitionRed]

LT, do you really believe its only the Left. I take it you don't read middle of the road Right wing news.

The BBC said last night that many Conservative MPs cheered Bercow's statement, as well as those on the opposition benches. Trump really has no friends, and the Right are, naturally, particulary anxious to distance themselves from him.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so does Bercow

Perhaps so but he does taking his working role seriously

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

LT, do you really believe its only the Left. I take it you don't read middle of the road Right wing news.

The BBC said last night that many Conservative MPs cheered Bercow's statement, as well as those on the opposition benches. Trump really has no friends, and the Right are, naturally, particulary anxious to distance themselves from him.

TM went to visit him in the Whitehouse, she is the head of the Conservatives and leads the government so I am not sure who you are referring to?

[Tom4784]

How dare anyone take issue with Trump! We need to deal with other dictators and abusers of power before we can even think negatively about Trump never mind speak out!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How dare anyone take issue with Trump! We need to deal with other dictators and abusers of power before we can even think negatively about Trump never mind speak out!

correct, set priorities and not just jump on a bandwaggon because lady gaga says so

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

TM went to visit him in the Whitehouse, she is the head of the Conservatives and leads the government so I am not sure who you are referring to?

TM isn't even a president, let alone a Despot. You can't look at the actions of the prime minister and assume the mindset of even her party, let alone the entire government.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TM isn't even a president, let alone a Despot. You can't look at the actions of the prime minister and assume the mindset of even her party, let alone the entire government.

she da boss lady TS. She could give a flying fcuk what he is like as long as we get the trade deals and that twat Bercow needs to start thinking beyond getting "likes" on facebook.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

Again, he had no problem allowing other despots to speak, despots with proven track records of Human Rights abuses. Why now?

I am a government employed lawyer who spent quite a few years working in politics, including working with several MPs in the House of Commons. I don't think you understand the role of the speaker, and I think if he was saying something of which you disapproved you'd be calling for his head.

[DemolitionRed]

What some people don't get is, World leaders are normaly only invited to speak in the Houses of Parliament once they have achieved something the British people could benefit from. There are many U.S. presidents who haven't been invited to speak through their entire time in office. Just because we are not inviting him after only a few weeks in office, doesn't mean he will never be invited to speak.

What would he speak about. What has he achieved thus far?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What some people don't get is, World leaders are normaly only invited to speak in the Houses of Parliament once they have achieved something the British people could benefit from. There are many U.S. presidents who haven't been invited to speak through their entire time in office. Just because we are not inviting him after only a few weeks in office, doesn't mean he will never be invited to speak.

What would he speak about. What has he achieved thus far?

precisely and frankly as he is not a politician per se he could give a rats arse I am sure so its just bercow making a plonker of himself...again

[Livia]

Maybe he could speak about the fact he's willing to do a quick trade deal after Brexit, seeing as the USA is our largest non-European export market. And of course, Obama told us we would go to the back of the queue. Let's start with that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hmm well perhaps she will invite him for tea. She does entertain all sorts of **** at Buckingham Palace, Mugabee of Zimbabwee, former tyrants of Romania etc. The Queens family themselves went over to flirt with Hitler in the 1930s and gaze at him lovingly.

Haha! They did yes, but Shhhhhhh! Dirty secret is eddie

[DemolitionRed]

Leaders of the world are not invited to speak about trade deals they haven't yet made. Its not about them selling themselves or atempting to do business with us! They speak about particular achievements they have made that benefit their country. They pass on popular political ideas and that's why its not just offered to any leader.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Leaders of the world are not invited to speak about trade deals they haven't yet made. Its not about them selling themselves or atempting to do business with us! They speak about particular achievements they have made that benefit their country. They pass on popular political ideas and that's why its not just offered to any leader.

Oh no... trade deals are done over tea and scones and a chat in parliament surely?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

precisely and frankly as he is not a politician per se he could give a rats arse I am sure so its just bercow making a plonker of himself...again

As he is a raging narcissist he will be upset if he doesn't get to do something that was offered to Obama.

However, as a sociopathic liar he will probably just claim that he got to do it "in secret" anyway, and that he "made all the best speeches".

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As he is a raging narcissist he will be upset if he doesn't get to do something that was offered to Obama.

However, as a sociopathic liar he will probably just claim that he got to do it "in secret" anyway, and that he "made all the best speeches".

his 2 best features

[smudgie]

I think he has jumped the gun a bit here...no invite to speak to parliament has yet been issued, let alone been confirmed or declined.
Silly Big John.

[In the Drunk Tank]

May has no power to sack the Speaker but I don't think its the sort of thing his critics should worry about - Bercow making a gesture like this probably means he intends to stand down relatively soon anyway and just wants to make a big point before he does so

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Is it someone's right to use their parliamentary position to speak out on a personal issue, if he considers the country "our friend"? That's not really how politics works.

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

Im paraphrasing, did you watch his speech? He refers specifically to the UK's and the US's relationship and I suggested that this might have been Bercows logic to treating America differently. But I know no more than you do about his thought processes. Didnt you sign a petition that would lead to a debate on Trump making an appearance anyway. Was you not prepared for the parliament making cases for and against him? Why not? Or is this more about the time and place for you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Im paraphrasing, did you watch his speech? He refers specifically to the UK's and the US's relationship and I suggested that this might have been Bercows logic to treating America differently. But I know no more than you do about his thought processes. Didnt you sign a petition that would lead to a debate on Trump making an appearance anyway. Was you not prepared for the parliament making cases for and against him? Why not? Or is this more about the time and place for you?

Bercow should be politically neutral. It's his job to be neutral. He's never spoken out before... but I guess the bandwagon hadn't arrived previously.

I signed a petition to allow a democratically elected president be given a state visit, as he has been offered, just like thousands of other leaders, half of whom are sh1thead despots robbing their own treasury.

[DemolitionRed]

Ok here's what Bercow actually said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7x7LIlMIcw

and here is the fallout of what he said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBRTj7frVg&t=213s
pay particular attention to them around the 2:24 mark. The "small man" crap was pathetic, and so was the reference to his wife.

To be honest, having now watched the top video, I don't quite get what all the fuss is. He didn't say he'd ban Trump, he said that in his opinion he'd be strongly against it.

[Livia]

I think most people saw this yesterday.

[Kizzy]

The use of language around people who make decisions over the heads of those who assume supreme authority over everything and everyone is interesting. They are increasingly referred to as small, ridiculous, 'so called' and other derogatory references for simply doing their job, making a judgement ( if a judge) or expressing a professional opinion.
What is all that about?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The use of language around people who make decisions over the heads of those who assume supreme authority over everything and everyone is interesting. They are increasingly referred to as small, ridiculous, 'so called' and other derogatory references for simply doing their job, making a judgement ( if a judge) or expressing a professional opinion.
What is all that about?

I call it the Brexit-Trump-Circlejerk-Effect. Everyone feels so very right now, and how dare anyone do their job if it doesn't represent TheWillOfThePeople™