[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Makes sense to me, cant argue with this logic.

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

Why are far-right people basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others? Wouldnt that make them really stupid? Do you know any of these people personally? Do they jump off cliffs because others avoid the edges, or does it only work with their political stance? Seems very odd.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why are far-right people basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others? Wouldnt that make them really stupid? Do you know any of these people personally? Do they jump off cliffs because others avoid the edges, or does it only work with their political stance? Seems very odd.

Wasn't left wing politics created from a reaction to social and political injustice!

Wasn't that basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others!

Pushing too far one way tends to lead to a reaction the other way - a metophorical tug of war.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

That's a silly argument.

'You believe in something that's opposed to my views so I'm going to support terrible ideas and candidates to **** everything up and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!'

No, it's the fault of stupid bigots that are mad that they can't be as bigoted as they like without judgement and other ignorant people that are foolish enough to vote without knowing the facts.

People who voted for Trump as a protest are ****ing idiots because now he's laying waste to the Healthcare reform that they depend on and he'll likely give all the power back to the Insurance companies because he's a corporate ***** through and through. But hey, he made some people feel like their racism was validated so who cares about that?

Protest votes as a whole are ****ing moronic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a silly argument.

'You believe in something that's opposed to my views so I'm going to support terrible ideas and candidates to **** everything up and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!'

No, it's the fault of stupid bigots that are mad that they can't be as bigoted as they like without judgement and other ignorant people that are foolish enough to vote without knowing the facts.

People who voted for Trump as a protest are ****ing idiots because now he's laying waste to the Healthcare reform that they depend on and he'll likely give all the power back to the Insurance companies because he's a corporate ***** through and through. But hey, he made some people feel like their racism was validated so who cares about that?

Protest votes as a whole are ****ing moronic.

A whole lot less moronic than open borders.

The extreme left help create an extreme right, hardly rocket science.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a silly argument.

'You believe in something that's opposed to my views so I'm going to support terrible ideas and candidates to **** everything up and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!'

No, it's the fault of stupid bigots that are mad that they can't be as bigoted as they like without judgement and other ignorant people that are foolish enough to vote without knowing the facts.

People who voted for Trump as a protest are ****ing idiots because now he's laying waste to the Healthcare reform that they depend on and he'll likely give all the power back to the Insurance companies because he's a corporate ***** through and through. But hey, he made some people feel like their racism was validated so who cares about that?

Protest votes as a whole are ****ing moronic.

I think you maybe slightly missing the point.Most people aren't so obsessive about left/right etc.I don't think they're starting to lean more right wing just to spite the left(although some undoubtedly will be) but because they see what a mess the current politicians are making.They feel let down and disenfranchised so they are reaching out for something new and different.After all if the current governments are already ****ing everything up then what's to lose?Things may actually change.
I think the far right is the wrong choice.I think "far" anything is the wrong choice tbh.
But with such a small choice and no real sensible centre ground options people have to make the best of what they have to work with.

Also politics seems to be like a tug of war.People get sick of the current state and lean the opposite way.
I think that may be a big part of why Corbyn got so many votes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

^^^

classic post

insult member, insult millions

based on unfounded assumptions

unbelievable

[Captain.Remy]

She is currently leading the polls here with 25%, so she will definitely be on the second round of the election.
However though, her party has done well in the recent local and regional elections by winning the first round, but losing the second due to the absence of alliances with other parties.
Her father qualified for the second round in 2002 against Chirac but lost heavily. Same thing will happen here. Either Macron or Fillon is our next President.

What you have to understand is that she is well-spoken, bold, "in your face" attitude, much better than her father was litterally the most offensive people French politics have ever had.
She knows her topics, she knows how to get attention, and due to the recent terrorist attacks and unemployment rate rising, she is chosen by so many people over here and get people to listen to her.

Even muslims and gays are voting for her, they want "France" back, but then France has always been an immigration country. We're in the middle of Europe, our health care system is the best in the world and our values are attracting. She's a b!tch that's all I can say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

She is currently leading the polls here with 25%, so she will definitely be on the second round of the election.
However though, her party has done well in the recent local and regional elections by winning the first round, but losing the second due to the absence of alliances with other parties.
Her father qualified for the second round in 2002 against Chirac but lost heavily. Same thing will happen here. Either Macron or Fillon is our next President.

What you have to understand is that she is well-spoken, bold, "in your face" attitude, much better than her father was litterally the most offensive people French politics have ever had.
She knows her topics, she knows how to get attention, and due to the recent terrorist attacks and unemployment rate rising, she is chosen by so many people over here and get people to listen to her.

Even muslims and gays are voting for her, they want "France" back, but then France has always been an immigration country. We're in the middle of Europe, our health care system is the best in the world and our values are attracting. She's a b!tch that's all I can say.

so who are the "good" french politicians and why have they allowed such uncontrolled immigration, unemployment and terrorism?

[DemolitionRed]

Whatever makes you think its uncontrolled immigration?

Its austerity that has caused unemployment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The British press were 4.5 times more likely to mention Le Pen than her chief opponent, centrist frontrunner Emmanuel Macron, per an analysis of UK headlines by Buzzfeed News.

As a comparison, Trump got more than twice the amount of nightly news coverage that Hillary Clinton did.


All about the clicks: Buzzfeed found that the top 20 stories about Le Pen had more than 15k engagements on Facebook, while only the top story about Macron broke that number. Again, Trump did the same — getting 3 times as many page views per article than Clinton, according to parse.ly.

One headline that sums it all up from Foreign Policy: "Marine Le Pen Is Donald Trump Without the Crazy

https://www.axios.com/international-...307665918.html

[arista]

"centrist frontrunner Emmanuel Macron"

Yes LT
many say he or that Lady will win.


Its a slow slog to May elections
there , though.

[Livia]

I don't support Marine le Penn. But I have to say this... she takes more hysterical bullsh1t on this forum and in the wider world than all the despot African leaders who say EXACTLY the same stuff about white Europeans, only worse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't support Marine le Penn. But I have to say this... she takes more hysterical bullsh1t on this forum and in the wider world than all the despot African leaders who say EXACTLY the same stuff about white Europeans, only worse.

Again, you keep bringing this argument up despite the fact you get the same answer every ****ing time.

Comparing a democratic and generally free country potentially getting a totalitarian leader to the latest despot ruler of a dictatorship run country is a bad comparison. It's more worrying that our neighbours and allies are becoming extremist than the fact that some African countries that we aren't allied with and can't do anything about are ruled by a dictatorship.

It's like saying that you can't complain about Trump because Kim Jong Un is a thing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, you keep bringing this argument up despite the fact you get the same answer every ****ing time.

Comparing a democratic and generally free country potentially getting a totalitarian leader to the latest despot ruler of a dictatorship run country is a bad comparison. It's more worrying that our neighbours and allies are becoming extremist than the fact that some African countries that we aren't allied with and can't do anything about are ruled by a dictatorship.

It's like saying that you can't complain about Trump because Kim Jong Un is a thing.

Since when has your opinion been elevated to an answer.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Since when has your opinion been elevated to an answer.

You are not making any sense. Stop trying to desperately score points and come up with a coherent reply if you disagree with what I'm saying.

[Alf]

She's not very sexy is she? and there's a very good chance that she'll smell of onions.

Not the sort of leader we want to see, but she'll take the French people out of the pit that is the EU, and that's reason enough right now.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

She's not very sexy is she? and there's a very good chance that she'll smell of onions.

Not the sort of leader we want to see, but she'll take the French people out of the pit that is the EU, and that's reason enough right now.

I don't see how she can take France out of the EU. The euro currency is a real sticking point. If France chooses to walk away from its enormous debt, that will throw all the surrounding countries into financial meltdown. If it doesn't walk away from its euro debt, how one earth could France financially survive? borrowing on the euro insured countries like France would have enormous difficulty pulling out of the union.