[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What is the point of being a president when you cant even put in place laws that you think best for your country, I am no expert on the subject,but what is so wrong with him wanting to be careful who enters his country especially in an age where you cant really trust anyone, Can you imagine another 9/11 when people would then be thinking why let these people in,I am no Trump fan but I do see that the constant backlash is a tad over the top,let him do his job,if he messes up that will be his fault and he will be out,the press /media etc need to calm down,it is them instilling fear into people by printing hearsay and fabrications,you get checked going through airports but any Tom,Dick and harry can enter the country.

Because it goes against what the US was built upon and it flies in the face of it's laws and amendments which is why Judges across the US are shooting it down. If you throw out your own freedoms for a sense of false security then the terrorists have already won. The Muslim ban has done nothing and will do nothing to prevent terrorism.

He gets backlash because he's a dangerous idiot that doesn't respect Democracy or the american people and that's apparent by his cabinet. He's out to make things easier for people like himself not for the average US citizen that truly needs the help.

You yourself admitted you aren't an expert on the subject so you really should educate yourself on Trump if you are buying into his bull**** about how it's the media's fault and how they are lying and out to get him. Every time he opens his mouth, fact checkers have a field day. He speaks in nothing but lies and he's constantly caught out. He is getting the same treatment as any other president would if they behaved like he did.

To support Trump is to support Totalitarianism.

[Kizzy]

If it were another 9/11 they wouldn't have the border control issue would they that's the point of a hijack.
Presidents don't like PMs have autocracy, or they shouldn't it's not how a democracy works .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If it were another 9/11 they wouldn't have the border control issue would they that's the point of a hijack.
Presidents don't like PMs have autocracy, or they shouldn't it's not how a democracy works .

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

My point was.. with 9/11 there was no issue of border control as the plane never has to land does it?
Think of the number of planes that come into US airspace from Muslim countries daily.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My point was.. with 9/11 there was no issue of border control as the plane never has to land does it?
Think of the number of planes that come into US airspace from Muslim countries daily.

We have to deal with that with tougher/rigorous security at airports, but border controls are another method of security. These are dangerous times for all of us and the priority should be to protect current citizens.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We have to deal with that with tougher/rigorous security at airports, but border controls are another method of security. These are dangerous times for all of us and the priority should be to protect current citizens.

Can we just clarify that border controls and 9/11 are not comparable?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

There's been no terrorist attacks post 9/11 from anyone hailing from any of the banned countries. The ban has no security merit, it is literally just a placebo to pacify ignorant people who voted for Trump because he said he wanted to ban muslims from entering the US.

[the truth]

neo liberals have taken over the assylum

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

neo liberals have taken over the assylum

Taken over? They've been in charge for over thirty ****ing years

[Northern Monkey]

Imo the ban is a step too far.I think heavy vetting is appropriate though.
However.He is fulfilling his election promises and it is what America voted for so if it's what the US democratic process has decided then that it what should happen.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Imo the ban is a step too far.I think heavy vetting is appropriate though.
However.He is fulfilling his election promises and it is what America voted for so if it's what the US democratic process has decided then that it what should happen.

He can say what he likes prior to the election, once elected like every other elected leader he is bound by the constitution.
Again, that's how democracy works.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He can say what he likes prior to the election, once elected like every other elected leader he is bound by the constitution.
Again, that's how democracy works.

Democracy is a word often used when it suits. Plenty of remainers would have ignored and overturned Brexit if they had been give the chance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Democracy is a word often used when it suits. Plenty of remainers would have ignored and overturned Brexit if they had been give the chance.

It's not a word, it's just how we are governed, your opinions on those who voted remain are irrelevant.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a word, it's just how we are governed, your opinions on those who voted remain are irrelevant.

And yet you don't support the democracy of the Scottish vote to remain in the UK, even though they knew a vote on the EU was coming. Democracy isn't for just when it suits you.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Imo the ban is a step too far.I think heavy vetting is appropriate though.
However.He is fulfilling his election promises and it is what America voted for so if it's what the US democratic process has decided then that it what should happen.

I can only suggest you read the judgement. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rder.html?_r=1 You might then understand the presidential (not political) basis on which the decision was made.

I'm afraid it's 40 pages, but if you make the effort you might understand what Donald Trump obviously doesn't.