[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Where does Labour not deliver its promises.
He has said corporation tax is part of this plan to raise the funds.

All oppositions said Labour could never deliver a minimum wage,they did against all Conservative dire warnings against it.

Unbelievable selective criticism in advance with not a word about this govt.virtually tearing up a lot of what it promised just barely 2 years ago.

lol they promised no more boom and bust lololololololol

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The Labour party always promise ,but rarely deliver,where will this money magically appear? he wont hit the well off as he isn't exactly poor is he? better the devil you know I say.

The Tory party is very good at talking the talk but their record for keeping their promise is pretty abysmal.

[Kizzy]

All this and no manifesto yet?...

[Northern Monkey]

Well he's trying his hardest bless him.More than he did for the remain campaign.Be interesting to see if all these promises get him somewhere.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well he's trying his hardest bless him.More than he did for the remain campaign.Be interesting to see if all these promises get him somewhere.

I actually would prefer a different leader but he is trying a great deal harder.
I am cautiously impressed by the passion he is now showing appropriately on strong and important issues.

In the referendum,he was weak, then again he was cool as to what happened in it.
He will be happy the vote was to leave,he will be happy to negotiate leaving the EU.
Out will open doors for him to be able to bring in his idea of how the UK could be,free from rulings of the EU.

He maybe cannot win this election but if he started to connect more with a clear passion on what he is advocating, it is not beyond possibility to help being instrumental in removing this govts.overall majority.

Mrs May showing the contempt she did as to the people whose questions he put to her today, is likely to help his cause.
A fair way to go in this election,winning looks out the question but a small,smaller or loss of the Cons overall majority is possibly achievable.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I actually would prefer a different leader but he is trying a great deal harder.
I am cautiously impressed by the passion he is now showing appropriately on strong and important issues.

In the referendum,he was weak, then again he was cool as to what happened in it.
He will be happy the vote was to leave,he will be happy to negotiate leaving the EU.
Out will open doors for him to be able to bring in his idea of how the UK could be,free from rulings of the EU.

He maybe cannot win this election but if he started to connect more with a clear passion on what he is advocating, it is not beyond possibility to help being instrumental in removing this govts.overall majority.

Mrs May showing the contempt she did as to the people whose questions he put to her today, is likely to help his cause.
A fair way to go in this election,winning looks out the question but a small,smaller or loss of the Cons overall majority is possibly achievable.

I think he's showing his teeth abit late.
I also think Labour will not do well at all in this and will look to a new leader after the election which will be a good thing.I also think he knows this hence why he's fighting.
However part of me is kind of rooting for him a little now to see if he can pull something out of the bag and do better than expected.

[the truth]

he thinks hes santa clause but he aint got magical elves and flying reindeers...oh but hes got a big credit card which will laden us all in debt for the next 100 years

[jaxie]

What labour never explain is where the money for all this is coming from. It's great to make big sweeping promises but the fact they have to be paid for somehow is why we've just had 6 years of austerity. Still paying for the last labour government.

Tbf the Tories haven't published their manifesto yet. All this about tax hikes is pure speculation until they do.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What labour never explain is where the money for all this is coming from. It's great to make big sweeping promises but the fact they have to be paid for somehow is why we've just had 6 years of austerity. Still paying for the last labour government.

Tbf the Tories haven't published their manifesto yet. All this about tax hikes is pure speculation until they do.

We haven't had six years of austerity because of the last NL government! We have had six years of austerity because austerity is part of neoliberal economic preference! All neoliberal governments employ austerity because its their economic ideal.

The only way they could follow that preference was to rid the country of creeping socialism and that's why our government puts the world crash squarely on Browns shoulders and the tragic thing is, so many of us bought into that lie.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We haven't had six years of austerity because of the last NL government! We have had six years of austerity because austerity is part of neoliberal economic preference! All neoliberal governments employ austerity because its their economic ideal.

The only way they could follow that preference was to rid the country of creeping socialism and that's why our government puts the world crash squarely on Browns shoulders and the tragic thing is, so many of us bought into that lie.

The crash may have been considerably worse DR too, had the Cons been in.
The Cons felt Labour regulated the banks too much,Howard and Cameron would have then regulated the banks far less.

You are right to say that is a lie laid on only Browns and the then govts.shoulders.

That crash was coming no matter what any govt.was doing or what Party was in power either,no one in the UK or even across the World in any way really saw it coming at all.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The crash may have been considerably worse DR too, had the Cons been in.
The Cons felt Labour regulated the banks too much,Howard and Cameron would have then regulated the banks far less.

You are right to say that is a lie laid on only Browns and the then govts.shoulders.

That crash was coming no matter what any govt.was doing or what Party was in power either,no one in the UK or even across the World in any way really saw it coming at all.

No doubt about it. It wasn’t only Cameron and Osborne who pleaded with Brown not to help the banks out with government funds, it was Bush too, but in the end the US copied Browns plan to the letter. Brown broke the fall and every nation after, played catch up. You have to wonder what Cameron and Osborne would of done; I think we can be fairly certain there would have been no stimulus!

Nobody's suggesting Brown saw the financial brick wall that was approaching but then nobody did. Neither are they suggesting that we should of let banks run like casino’s but that was happening the western world over and ended being a very hard lesson to us all.

Regardless of what the Tories tell us, he was the right man at the right time. How Gordon Brown and Mervyn King handled the crisis was nothing short of heroic but whilst King received a knighthood, Brown became person-non-grata.

[jennyjuniper]

Whichever party puts a block on further immigration has my vote. Corbyn with his 'open doors' policy is a disaster waiting to happen. It didn't work for Merkel and it won't work for Labour. Are politicians so out of touch with reality that they don't actually realise when and how they are effectively lighting the touch paper?
I agree that the NHS does need funding, but to the actual people who do the work, not pen pushing management (there's an oxymoron for you)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Whichever party puts a block on further immigration has my vote. Corbyn with his 'open doors' policy is a disaster waiting to happen. It didn't work for Merkel and it won't work for Labour. Are politicians so out of touch with reality that they don't actually realise when and how they are effectively lighting the touch paper?
I agree that the NHS does need funding, but to the actual people who do the work, not pen pushing management (there's an oxymoron for you)

Given the NHS is staffed by immigrants many of who come from outside the EU not sure how immigration is going to change, and now that UK based nurses will have to pay for their training, immigrants working in the NHS is vital for it to survive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Given the NHS is staffed by immigrants many of who come from outside the EU not sure how immigration is going to change, and now that UK based nurses will have to pay for their training, immigrants working in the NHS is vital for it to survive

Totally right,the obsession against immigration.
Never recognising the need and benefits of it is more a damaging stance,than any negatives of immigration itself.

Incidentally to Jaxie,I doubt any serious political observer would claim Corbyn was a supporter of Tony Blair, his voting record against the Blair govt.is well documented.
New Labour was a silly title anyway,oddly enough for voters however,they flocked to it.