[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Labour is the reason why we have the terrorists in this country

Yeah. Nothing to do with Torrie and Obama governments funding and supporting ISIS and other "moderate rebels" initially. Both parties are to blame.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Yeah. Nothing to do with Torrie and Obama governments funding and supporting ISIS and other "moderate rebels" initially. Both parties are to blame.

Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

true

[Beso]

I wont be surprised if hee appears in a buhrka.

[Marsh.]

Terrorist attacks happen

Politicians vying for control of the country comment on preventing attacks like these.


I am shocked. I didn't expect this.

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Terrorist attacks happen

Politicians vying for control of the country comment on preventing attacks like these.


I am shocked. I didn't expect this.

This.

[Tregard]

Corbyn will say ‘Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.’ Suggesting that UK foreign policy bears responsibility for terrorist attacks here just days after a terrorist atrocity has killed so many children is, to put it mildly, controversial.

Now, Corbyn will add that ‘That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.’

Not exactly "a speech about the attack and how Labour will not let things like that happen". It could go either way, depending on the surrounding context.

[rusticgal]

It's a cheap shot...Corbyn and his government won't make any difference. I think our intelligence services have prevented many planned attacks...but unfortunately these things will continue to happen despite our best efforts and no other party will be able to stop it...like I say it's a cheap shot.

[Mystic Mock]

It will be interesting to hear what he says as I'm not convinced that he'd do much better tbh.

[Jack_]

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

Brilliant post again.

This woman has made catastrophic decisions all through her over 6 years as home Secretary.
Which you highlighted in your post.

I agree with Corbyn and timing is always hard to get right by anyone,the timing however of actually calling a general election after the Westminster attack,should set off alarm bells as to this extreme woman's obsession with her own authority.

What happens during said election periods that affect lives and bring about loss of lives,is vital for to then hear Parties hopes to begin to deal with same.
Also what they see as a cause to them.
How they too would look to not ignite and fuel further more vile attacks.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

Although on your last point the S*n and that other rag the Mail have tried their best with the smear campaign and Jeremy's just brushed it off and they're still making gains so I honestly don't think it has an effect anymore

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:

These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

A great post

[James]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This century's spiral of conflict was set off on September 11th 2001 when 3000 civilians were killed in America. Someone needs to remind him off that. Some people voting in this election won't even remember 9/11. What would his reason for the 9/11 attacks be? I suppose he'd say Vietnam or something like that.

After 9/11 America was never not going to go into Afghanistan. It would have happened even if Al Gore had won in the close 2000 election.

France opposed and took no part in the Iraq war in 2003, and yet still has been on the end of some of the worst terrorist attacks. The narrative the terrorists use in those cases is that France has been fighting IS. Does that mean to prevent further attacks countries have to leave IS alone to commit more genocide in Iraq?

In Libya there was already a civil war before Britain and France got involved, and in Syria we have specifically not gotten involved militarily - remember the vote in the Commons after the chemical weapons attack? and Syria is an on-going catastrophe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

This century's spiral of conflict was set off on September 11th 2001 when 3000 civilians were killed in America. Someone needs to remind him off that. Some people voting in this election won't even remember 9/11. What would his reason for the 9/11 attacks be? I suppose he'd say Vietnam or something like that.

After 9/11 America was never not going to go into Afghanistan. It would have happened even if Al Gore had won in the close 2000 election.

France opposed and took no part in the Iraq war in 2003, and yet still has been on the end of some of the worst terrorist attacks. The narrative the terrorists use in those cases is that France has been fighting IS. Does that mean to prevent further attacks countries have to leave IS alone to commit more genocide in Iraq?

In Libya there was already a civil war before Britain and France got involved, and in Syria we have specifically not gotten involved militarily - remember the vote in the Commons after the chemical weapons attack? and Syria is an on-going catastrophe.

Have you forgotten there was a war in the gulf in the 90s then?... :/

[James]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you forgotten there was a war in the gulf in the 90s then?... :/

No, I haven't. It was caused because Saddam Hussein invaded Iraq.

I read that Bin Laden became motivated to attack Americans because Saudi Arabia allowed America to place military bases in the Kingdom, where the holiest sites of Islam are located.

But is it legitimate to point to all that, as reason that America should somehow have expected terrorism in the 90s, and also 9/11.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

No, I haven't. It was caused because Saddam Hussein invaded Iraq.

I read that Bin Laden became motivated to attack Americans because Saudi Arabia allowed America to place military bases in the Kingdom, where the holiest sites of Islam are located.

But is it legitimate to point to all that, as reason that America should somehow have expected terrorism in the 90s, and also 9/11.

Following the destabilisation do you feel that they should have just forgotten about it all by 2001?.. No that was just the beginning.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by James

No, I haven't. It was caused because Saddam Hussein invaded Iraq.

That's some Trump style facts there!

Saddam Hussein was President of Iraq from 1979 to 2003.

Maybe you were thinking of Kuwait.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by James

This century's spiral of conflict was set off on September 11th 2001 when 3000 civilians were killed in America. Someone needs to remind him off that. Some people voting in this election won't even remember 9/11. What would his reason for the 9/11 attacks be? I suppose he'd say Vietnam or something like that.

After 9/11 America was never not going to go into Afghanistan. It would have happened even if Al Gore had won in the close 2000 election.

France opposed and took no part in the Iraq war in 2003, and yet still has been on the end of some of the worst terrorist attacks. The narrative the terrorists use in those cases is that France has been fighting IS. Does that mean to prevent further attacks countries have to leave IS alone to commit more genocide in Iraq?

In Libya there was already a civil war before Britain and France got involved, and in Syria we have specifically not gotten involved militarily - remember the vote in the Commons after the chemical weapons attack? and Syria is an on-going catastrophe.

[Kizzy]

Excellent post jack, thank you.
I just hope those sentiments are remembered on June 8th

[thesheriff443]

Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

Its two weeks until the elections and we all want to know who's going to do what about the ongoing terrorism on our shores. Personally I think its crucial that the table is laid bare. What's going to be done, who's going to do it?

The right wing tabloid backers made it their mission to use this incident for Tory gain. UKIP made it clear very quickly about how they would handle things. Labours ideas were leaked but not yet officially out and yet its the Labour party who are getting hammered by people who's thinking skills don't go beyond 'us against them'.

[DemolitionRed]

We shouldn't have troops on our streets. We should have more trained professionals working J's and trying to find terrorists. What's a soldier capable of? putting his life between me and a terrorist? I suggest that's too much to ask of him.

[Withano]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...reat?CMP=fb_gu

“our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country”.

“Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.

That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions. But an informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people that fights rather than fuels terrorism.”

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...reat?CMP=fb_gu

I like Tim Farron but that comment was stupid. We have two weeks until an election that could change our country for the better and in those two weeks, the right wing press are using this atrocity for their own political gain but Corbyn's not allowed to speak? Tim Farron can go take a running jump.