[Wizard.]

Yes definitely if we carry on the way things are. It will be worse under Labour who let them all in come hell or high water.

[thesheriff443]

You only have to take away, I and n from sane, to get a totally different person.

Allegedly is one of the best words ever invented.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can you all please stay ontopic and stop getting personal with/insulting eachother when i reopen it please

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can you all please stay ontopic and stop getting personal with/insulting eachother when i reopen it please

I feel like this is a tall order on a thread that's basically asking "Was this well known historical racist right or wrong" ...

I mean... personal and insulting... sort of is the only topic here.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I feel like this is a tall order on a thread that's basically asking "Was this well known historical racist right or wrong" ...

I mean... personal and insulting... sort of is the only topic here.

I actually know very little about him, I know the name but nothing about what he did or what he stood for

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually know very little about him, I know the name but nothing about what he did or what he stood for

Upon Powell's death, Barbados-born Wilfred Wood, then Bishop of Croydon, stated, "Enoch Powell gave a certificate of respectability to white racist views which otherwise decent people were ashamed to acknowledge".

That sums it up quite well really. Like a proto-Farage... actually makes Farage look good.

I literally don't know how to say anything else on this topic without indirectly insulting forum members, tbh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That sums it up quite well really. Like a proto-Farage... actually makes Farage look good.

I literally don't know how to say anything else on this topic without indirectly insulting forum members, tbh.

I might have a read up about him later

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That sums it up quite well really. Like a proto-Farage... actually makes Farage look good.

I literally don't know how to say anything else on this topic without indirectly insulting forum members, tbh.

Just read his rivers of blood speech, wow. Although, i hate to say it but it's not too far off some stuff I've read lately regarding Muslims.

I thought it was pretty funny though, this bit :

That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.

Like what is he saying here exactly?? America was built on the back of immigrants who almost wiped out the indigenous people and after that they were the ones shipping in immigrants to use as slaves :/

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please

[longstar]

this is what Enoch said in a live interview in 1977, as said/ THE PROSPECT IS THAT POLITICIANS OF ALL PARTIES WILL SAY WELL ENOCH POWELL WAS RIGHT BUT WE DON'T SAY THAT IN PUBLIC BUT WE KNOW IT IN PRIVATE, ENOCH POWELL'S RIGHT AND IT WILL KNOW DOUBT DEVELOPERS HE SAYS, BUT ITS BETTER FOR US TO DO NOTHING NOW AND LET IT HAPPEN PERHAPS AFTER OUR TIME THEN TO SEIZE THE MANY POISONOUS NETTLES WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO SEIZE IF WE WHERE AT THIS STAGE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO AVERT THE OUTCOME, SO LET IT GO ON UNTIL A THIRD OF CENTRAL LONDON A THIRD OF BIRMINGHAM, WOLVERHAMPTON, ARE COVERED UNTIL THE CIVIL WAR COMES, LET IT GO ON WE WON'T BE BLAMED, WILL EITHER HAVE GONE OR SLIP OUT UNDER SOMEHOW. Enoch did not really predict it, but he knew that it is going to happen, why, he was in the highest area's of government, and that means he had information that the public would never have been aware of, and he knew what was going to happen in the next 40 to 50 years, and it is becoming reality right now, he saw what the government was going to do in the future, and that's why he was really kicked out of politics.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is what Enoch Powel said long before some of us were born,1968 ,do you agree with what he said all those years ago,Was he right or was he wrong?

Yeah, because the community and culture we had/have isn't as a result of immigration and "mixing with strangers" anyway.

[Lee.]

Enoch Powell was a big paedo. And still our present day politicians (Ms May) are covering up the huge child abuse ring within Westminster.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Enoch Powell was a big paedo. And still our present day politicians (Ms May) are covering up the huge child abuse ring within Westminster.

Well said Lee and wonderful to see you around

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is what Enoch Powel said long before some of us were born,1968 ,do you agree with what he said all those years ago,Was he right or was he wrong?

I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

Agreed. Good post Tozzie!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

you tell me, if I knew the answer to that I wouldn't be sat typing on TBB. By the way it isn't only a handful of radicals anymore people are being radicalised by the day

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

A handful!!! Either you are pretty crap at math or you see what you want to see.

[Tom4784]

Enoch Powell was a repugnant racist **** and nothing he said was right, it's not the fault of immigration that 'wives can't find hospital beds in childbirth' or school places are difficult to find. These are all a result of a Tory government that wants to decimate public services in favour of a privatised system.

It's not the fault of people of different races, it's the fault of a government who are using immigration as an excuse to destroy public services and a public who are gullible enough to accept it because they think it justifies their racism.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Enoch Powell was a repugnant racist **** and nothing he said was right, it's not the fault of immigration that 'wives can't find hospital beds in childbirth' or school places are difficult to find. These are all a result of a Tory government that wants to decimate public services in favour of a privatised system.

It's not the fault of people of different races, it's the fault of a government who are using immigration as an excuse to destroy public services and a public who are gullible enough to accept it because they think it justifies their racism.

You know if Labour win and we see that the NHS is still overstretched with not enough beds and A&E bursting at the seems you're gonna have to find another scapegoat to blame.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

You know if Labour win and we see that the NHS is still overstretched with not enough beds and A&E bursting at the seems you're gonna have to find another scapegoat to blame.

I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

I do actually think the Tories have a big part to play in the NHS but underfunding is not the ONLY problem.It possibly half the problem.We have the Tories who are saying they will tackle immigration(probably won't) and they'll still carry on underfunding the NHS and running it into the ground.
Then we have Labour who would(hopefully) put more into the NHS and pay the nurses what they deserve but are weak on the immigration part.
Now i am going to vote Labour as i think they're the lesser of two evils but if they don't tackle the immigration part and it infact gets worse they're going to be flushing that extra funding down the toilet.
The NHS imo was never designed to be able to handle an ever increasing population.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I do actually think the Tories have a big part to play in the NHS but underfunding is not the ONLY problem.It possibly half the problem.We have the Tories who are saying they will tackle immigration(probably won't) and they'll still carry on underfunding the NHS and running it into the ground.
Then we have Labour who would(hopefully) put more into the NHS and pay the nurses what they deserve but are weak on the immigration part.
Now i am going to vote Labour as i think they're the lesser of two evils but if they don't tackle the immigration part and it infact gets worse they're going to be flushing that extra funding down the toilet.
The NHS imo was never designed to be able to handle an ever increasing population.

I honestly think we have to consider how much longer we all live.
Being elderly in itself brings its own problems, bones break easier, more arthritis, more respiratory illnesses, hearts and other organs getting worn out.
So, as much as I can't stand Tim Farron, I think he is on to something when he suggests 1% tax rise across the board, as long as it is specifically goes to health and social care.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

Pretty much, The tories aren't scapegoats so accusing me of using them as such is just very silly.

The NHS should be protected at all costs and it's problems stem from underfunding and the fact that the Tories' sabotage are turning medical staff away from it and towards private organisations instead. If the tories actually gave it the funding it needs then a lot of it's issues would be sorted but they aren't interested in that since the Tories benefit more from a private system.

[Scarlett.]

Enoch Powell can go **** himself and his ****ty opinions. He wasn't right back then, he isn't right now.