[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Only yours.

Corbyn is well known in N Ireland as an IRA sympathiser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...IRA-links.html

Do you condemn his links to terrorism? His IRA buddies with links to Sinn Fein including their leader McGuiness killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.
Much as I dislike the DUP, they are nothing compared to Sinn Fein and their buddies the murderous IRA.

Educate yourself before you pontificate about a country you haven't lived in all your life like I have. Perhaps if you had friends killed by the IRA you wouldn't think Corbyn such a great guy. That great guy spoke at rallies every year commemorating the loss of IRA killers. He makes me sick.

That's a Freudian slip if ever I saw one.

[DemolitionRed]

Here’s an extract from May’s speech in front of Number 10: (pointed out by Simon Cohen is a British social commentator)

"Cracking down on the ideology of Islamist extremism and all those who support it and giving the police and the authorities the powers they need to keep our country safe.

The government I lead will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do so that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit together, and over the next five years build a country in which no one and no community is left behind, a country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared across this United Kingdom."

Notice anything?

She also uses this phrase: "build a country in which no one and no community is left behind"

This is EXACTLY the wording Corbyn has been using over the last two years

Youtube video

Are the right wing political press going to point this out?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Here’s an extract from May’s speech in front of Number 10: (pointed out by Simon Cohen is a British social commentator)

"Cracking down on the ideology of Islamist extremism and all those who support it and giving the police and the authorities the powers they need to keep our country safe.

The government I lead will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do so that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit together, and over the next five years build a country in which no one and no community is left behind, a country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared across this United Kingdom."

Notice anything?

She also uses this phrase: "build a country in which no one and no community is left behind"

This is EXACTLY the wording Corbyn has been using over the last two years

Youtube video

Are the right wing political press going to point this out?

I would say ballony if you tried to tell me Corbyn has never uttered a phrase that May has. So if Corbyn has said something no-one else can.

[Vicky.]

Of course the Tories will oust her. The election has made her incompetence even clearer and the Conservative party are ruthless. I feel rather sorry for her in a way as she was kind of shoehorned into a role that she was not ready for and might not have even really wanted and now shes floundering around getting worse and worse. All whilst repeating 'strong and stable' though of course.

However, I doubt anyone wants to step up and take over the Brexit thing. Even though apparently its David Davis actually doing the Brexit negotiations as Brexit secretary. But May is the face of it. And May will be blamed when it all goes tits up. THEN she will be replaced, once its all done with so she can be forever blamed for it.

Though everyone seems to forget it was Cameron who started this all. He really is getting away with it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course the Tories will oust her. The election has made her incompetence even clearer and the Conservative party are ruthless. I feel rather sorry for her in a way as she was kind of shoehorned into a role that she was not ready for and might not have even really wanted and now shes floundering around getting worse and worse. All whilst repeating 'strong and stable' though of course.

However, I doubt anyone wants to step up and take over the Brexit thing. Even though apparently its David Davis actually doing the Brexit negotiations as Brexit secretary. But May is the face of it. And May will be blamed when it all goes tits up. THEN she will be replaced, once its all done with so she can be forever blamed for it.

Though everyone seems to forget it was Cameron who started this all. He really is getting away with it

Didn't Cameron have to call a referendam though as Farage had wanted a vote on it? Cameron wanted to remain so when the result was to leave he would have been a hypocrite to stay surely.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't Cameron have to call a referendam though as Farage had wanted a vote on it? Cameron wanted to remain so when the result was to leave he would have been a hypocrite to stay surely.

Yep, he stuck to his promise and gave us the referendum, I doubt he thought that it would be a vote to leave, he had no option but to leave as it would have gone against the grain too much for him.
Plus he was already intending not to do the full term, so early retirement for him.
I don't think Theresa May will be able to stay much longer, she called the election and it backfired on her, heaven only knows who will come forward for the job.
Please don't let it be BOJO.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yep, he stuck to his promise and gave us the referendum, I doubt he thought that it would be a vote to leave, he had no option but to leave as it would have gone against the grain too much for him.
Plus he was already intending not to do the full term, so early retirement for him.
I don't think Theresa May will be able to stay much longer, she called the election and it backfired on her, heaven only knows who will come forward for the job.
Please don't let it be BOJO.

What about David Davies?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What about David Davies?

David Davis is a possibility. I would have liked Amber to get the job, but her seat majority is to small, it would be too risky.

Whoever it is, i think it needs to be someone who voted to leave the EU. It also needs to be someone more willing to listen to consensus.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't Cameron have to call a referendam though as Farage had wanted a vote on it? Cameron wanted to remain so when the result was to leave he would have been a hypocrite to stay surely.

Cameron only gave a referendum as he was scared UKIP would nick Tory votes. I bet he regrets it with how it turned out. Yet again breathtaking arrogance that the vote would go his way :S I guess it would be quite hypocritical to stay (just as hypocritical as May taking the job tbh when she wanted to stay too) but at the same time, he should have had a plan for if we voted leave. That was the problem. They all thought they would get a stay vote so it would shut everyone up as the vote had been done, but nothing would actually change. If you give a vote to the people, you need to be prepared for all possible outcomes surely...especially for something as big as that!


On a separate note
I hear on the news today that 2 of Theresa Mays cabinet are getting the blame for the poor election campaign and have resigned.

[Jack_]

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

Another passionately angry blog that needs repeating here, just in case someone missed it.

Well said Jack

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Another passionately angry blog that needs repeating here, just in case someone missed it.

Well said Jack

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

You mean like the Tories hate for the disabled, foxes, the poor...dare I go on?

Nothing I said is false. Please get me back to be when you can prove it is, and in the meantime quit making indirect jibes. Thanks

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jet

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

Please don't.
It's refreshing to hear about it from someone who was actually living there.
I remember it well,the bombings in England.
I can't imagine the horrors that went on in N.I.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

Don't stop posting Jet,I want to learn about what went on there , you keep spilling that truth.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

Awesome post.

Uncomfortable reading likely for some but all true Jack_
I really do stand impressed with your knowledge and summary of events and your factual take on things too.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Awesome post.

Uncomfortable reading likely for some but all true Jack_
I really do stand impressed with your knowledge and summary of events and your factual take on things too.

Why then Joey did you say elsewhere that you would like Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster? There is no doubt at all that they are terrorist sympathisers. As you no doubt know their late leader was the IRA Chief of Staff who ordered murders. He and Gerry Adams attended IRA funerals in plain sight. The DUP, as much as I loathe some of their policies, couldn't touch Sinn Fein for the blood on their hands.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Why then Joey did you say elsewhere that you would like Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster? There is no doubt at all that they are terrorist sympathisers. As you no doubt know their late leader was the IRA Chief of Staff who ordered murders. He and Gerry Adams attended IRA funerals in plain sight. The DUP, as much as I loathe some of their policies, couldn't touch Sinn Fein for the blood on their hands.

No one is saying that the DUP shouldn't take their seats as normal, though? There's a pretty big difference between that, and them getting a place at the top table when deciding on the biggest issues facing the country. Which is what they will have, formal coalition or not - in fact, they will have even more negotiating power outside of a coalition when they can make requests / demands on an issue-by-issue basis.

Obviously it would be just as much of a problem if Sinn Fein was in that position. But you're arguing a strawman point there. "Sun Fein is worse!!" is really irrelevant to whether or not the DUP being at the center of Westminster is a good idea.

On the absolute most basic of levels, it completely undermines (effectively nullifies??) the Good Friday agreement and I can't understand how anyone could fail to be worried by that alone.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one is saying that the DUP shouldn't take their seats as normal, though? There's a pretty big difference between that, and them getting a place at the top table when deciding on the biggest issues facing the country. Which is what they will have, formal coalition or not - in fact, they will have even more negotiating power outside of a coalition when they can make requests / demands on an issue-by-issue basis.

Obviously it would be just as much of a problem if Sinn Fein was in that position. But you're arguing a strawman point there. "Sun Fein is worse!!" is really irrelevant to whether or not the DUP being at the center of Westminster is a good idea.

On the absolute most basic of levels, it completely undermines (effectively nullifies??) the Good Friday agreement and I can't understand how anyone could fail to be worried by that alone.

I was simply asking Joey why he said he would actually LIKE Sinn Fein to take their seats when they are well known terrorist sympathisers. Should any terrorist sympathisers have seats at Westminster?

I am extremely worried about the fate of the Good Friday Agreement, believe me nobody wants a return of the hell we lived in for so many years.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Why then Joey did you say elsewhere that you would like Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster? There is no doubt at all that they are terrorist sympathisers. As you no doubt know their late leader was the IRA Chief of Staff who ordered murders. He and Gerry Adams attended IRA funerals in plain sight. The DUP, as much as I loathe some of their policies, couldn't touch Sinn Fein for the blood on their hands.

Because I believe in democracy, pure and simple.
I believe anyone elected democratically in a UK election should take their seats in Westminster.
Sinn Féinn are not a banned party they are a legitimate party and strongly involved and vital in the power sharing assembly in N Ireland.

I believe we have to move on as much as is possible from the troubles of the past.
You again mention Mcguinness,rightly saying the late leader, exactly he is dead,what is the point of his being mentioned.

I have been in N Ireland,my Grandparents were Irish.from Southern Ireland they lived in Mullingar.
I have also been in N Ireland many times as a child and teen.

My Grandparents had family and friends in N Ireland, I see little point in those orange marches myself.
For me moving on is far more important.

Wrongs were done on all sides,killings and bombings are wrong no matter who does it.
However for me anything inflammatory is not helpful,and that's how I see the orange marches.

By all means try to make it a day as an event without the taunting and baiting but some orange marches do try to intimidate.
That also is likely to happen from the other side too but honestly it's time to move on from the religious overtones to marches and events.

There will always be suspicion and resentment even on both sides to the other's side.
Which is why I am against this even very casual deal by the Cons with the DUP.
If the DUP support Con policy,fair enough but to engage in securing support always should be avoided in my view.
It is only going to alienate possibly Sinn Féinn who even moreso after winning 7 seats in this election, are equally vital to N Ireland peace process continuing.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Because I believe in democracy, pure and simple.
I believe anyone elected democratically in a UK election should take their seats in Westminster.
Sinn Féinn are not a banned party they are a legitimate party and strongly involved and vital in the power sharing assembly in N Ireland.

I believe we have to move on as much as is possible from the troubles of the past.
You again mention Mcguinness,rightly saying the late leader, exactly he is dead,what is the point of his being mentioned.

I have been in N Ireland,my Grandparents were Irish.from Southern Ireland they lived in Mullingar.
I have also been in N Ireland many times as a child and teen.

My Grandparents had family and friends in N Ireland, I see little point in those orange marches myself.
For me moving on is far more important.

Wrongs were done on all sides,killings and bombings are wrong no matter who does it.
However for me anything inflammatory is not helpful,and that's how I see the orange marches.

By all means try to make it a day as an event without the taunting and baiting but some orange marches do try to intimidate.
That also is likely to happen from the other side too but honestly it's time to move on from the religious overtones to marches and events.

There will always be suspicion and resentment even on both sides to the other's side.
Which is why I am against this even very casual deal by the Cons with the DUP.
If the DUP support Con policy,fair enough but to engage in securing support always should be avoided in my view.
It is only going to alienate possibly Sinn Féinn who even moreso after winning 7 seats in this election, are equally vital to N Ireland peace process continuing.

I have moved on, but it's hard to read misconceptions about your country and say nothing. Living here throughout the whole of the Troubles and visiting here are vastly different things. What I can never forget are my friends killed by the IRA and I never will. Reading anything to do with the IRA or anyone sympathising with them makes my blood boil. They killed thousands of people to get hold of six little counties, choosing to murder instead of using the ballot box which they were forced to do in the end when they finally realised their murderous activities where getting them nowhere.
The irony of it all is that many Catholics don't even WANT a United Ireland, myself included! We are N.Irish, and want to stay that way.
But yes, thank God for the peace process, and I sincerely hope that Sinn Fein don't use this new development as another stick to stir up trouble which they take every opportunity to do and that the DUP don't use their position to try to gain support for their causes over Sinn Fein.
N. Ireland affairs should be run internally and Sinn Fein need to get their asses into Stormont and start doing the jobs they are getting paid to do for their country and quit hindering the process. How is anything going to be resolved if they keep up their "I'm not talking to you" stance? That they do so now is vitally important given the recent developments.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

If you are going to support the likes of Corbyn who has had known links with terrorist groups for decades don't try and take the moral high ground and cry about May's coalition with 'terrorist sympathising bigots'.

And Corbyn is every bit the power thirsty cretin you accuse May of being. That kind of hypocrisy makes me physically damn repulsed.

[Vicky.]

The election was all about her, I did notice that. As if she was a one man band or something. I don't think I heard the party mentioned at all. Especially when she was on about Brexit. She kept putting the 'funny' image of Corbyn at negotiations in peoples heads. But never seemed to mention that its actually Davis who will be doing negotiations and such as Brexit secretary. Nor that it would be (IMO the very very capable|) Keir Starmer if Labour were 'in'

I am sure most of the party aren't happy with her. I do expect to see more resignations in the coming days tbh.

[Vicky.]

Erm. is it right that this whole thing could possibly breach the Good Friday Agreement? :/

How can the Government be politically neutral in Northern Ireland under the Good Friday Agreement when it needs the DUP?