[sampvt]

Judy the trick cyclist mentioned that Raph was behind all sorts and inferred he was behind a lot of the crap in there and all the bots audience clapped which surprised me. They seem to love the crap he causes but they dont like him. Game players can win but only if they can play a shady game. Raph might as well hand out scripts on his game plan as he is a ****ty player. he is as obvious and Isabellends tan.

[storybrooke]

I wouldn't say it was Raph's fault. Lotan was mainly to blame because he threw a drink at the wrong people.

However, I do think that Raph is playing a game. But this isn't a bad thing because it seems only sensible to have a gameplan in a bloody game show

[Rob!]

I'm sorry but if Raph is playing a game then he deserves to win because I can't ****ing see it.

[RhysJones]

Raph has literally caused the divide in the house by bating Hannah, Deborah, and Chanelle for weeks now whilst turning both groups against each other. Then it came to blows and he just stood back and let Hannah and Deborah and Chanelle take the flack again

[Amy Jade]

I didn't hear this all I heard was Judy mention Raph has caused agro by sitting with the scum gang and feeding his friends info she didn't even drag him for it.

She's not wrong either he has done it a few times but I enjoy it

[jennyjuniper]

I STILL think Lotan instigated his own removal to some extent. He read the not so flattering tweets about himself, so he had some idea that he wasn't as well liked by the public as he thought. I don't think he could stand the idea of being nominated and possibly losing to someone like Hannah or Isabelle in public.His oversized ego had been fed even more by the blind adoration of his sheep Ellie,Savannah, Keiron and Tom.
As for Bots, there are just a bigger flock of sheep, who can't seem to realise that if you are a contestant in a game, then EVERYONE is a game player. It's how you play the game that determines how well you do, or it should be anyway.

[y.winter]

He did initiate the split as a firm divide in the house, including labelling each group. It might have been another catalyst for fight night, but not his fault.
He's losing control of his gameplan.

[Nicky91]

maybe Rylan can't take it that Raph is a good housemate and better than he was


so he wants to bring him down through BOTS

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

maybe Rylan can't take it that Raph is a good housemate and better than he was


so he wants to bring him down through BOTS

no

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

maybe Rylan can't take it that Raph is a good housemate and better than he was


so he wants to bring him down through BOTS

It was nothing to do with Rylan Nicky.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It was nothing to do with Rylan Nicky.

i only was thinking about it

[sampvt]

For the first time in a long time regarding BB.....the general public are getting tired of game players but the forums still think they are great. This is why the voters and the forum poles are so far apart. I mean the last time tellymix or our own polls were correct, most of our forum members were still doing there 5 times tables.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

For the first time in a long time regarding BB.....the general public are getting tired of game players but the forums still think they are great. This is why the voters and the forum poles are so far apart. I mean the last time tellymix or our own polls were correct, most of our forum members were still doing there 5 times tables.

The general public aren't watching pal.

You wouldn't even require your 5 times tables to calculate the pitiful viewing figures of this pitiful show.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Could they be any more obvious? They're trying to stop Raph from winning.
Blaming him for it was ridiculous. He actually tried to stop people from going at each other.
He didn't force Lotan to throw the drink. He did that by himself. But of course the show thinks Lotan has done nothing wrong

The point that they made was valid. What they said was the truth. It was surprisingly astute as an observation for BOTS, I thought.

Raph sneaking around spreading poison from group to group *did* contribute to the build up of that fight.

I made a thread about it before, and my opinion hasn't changed. The guy is a nasty little slimy snake looking to create tension and hate.

(Yes,I know snakes are not slimy, but Raph is!)

[Vicky.]

Can someone tell me what was actually said as I cannot see how Raph could be blamed for the fight tbh. The divide is most certainly his doing though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can someone tell me what was actually said as I cannot see how Raph could be blamed for the fight tbh. The divide is most certainly his doing though.

I don't think she actually blamed him for Fight Night just the divide which in a roundabout way led to Fight Night i guess?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think she actually blamed him for Fight Night just the divide which in a roundabout way led to Fight Night i guess?

This is about right.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think she actually blamed him for Fight Night just the divide which in a roundabout way led to Fight Night i guess?

OK thanks. OTT thread then, though I should have expected it really

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK thanks. OTT thread then, though I should have expected it really

They didn't blame him directly, but they hinted at it. For me he had no part in the fighting. He stopped people from going at each other.

[Vanessa]

What annoyed me is that they played down Lotan involvement and didn't even mention Ellie. While only talking about Raph. Urgh

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They didn't blame him directly, but they hinted at it. For me he had no part in the fighting. He stopped people from going at each other.

Of course he didn't, if it wasn't for him Deborah would have knocked Ellie out and it all would have been worse. he was better than the bloody security

[Robodog]

Judi James was right in highlighting what major part Raph plays in sh-t stirring

How he listens in on the garden gang than runs to Thorn cottage with the gossip, gets the others fired up: "oh you won't believe what I just heard them say about you, but don't say anything! Don't say I told you!" etc

Playground snitch.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Judi James was right in highlighting what major part Raph plays in sh-t stirring

How he listens in on the garden gang than runs to Thorn cottage with the gossip, gets the others fired up: "oh you won't believe what I just heard them say about you, but don't say anything! Don't say I told you!" etc

Playground snitch.

That had nothing to do with Lotan throwing his drink to the girls.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That had nothing to do with Lotan throwing his drink to the girls.

I know

Judi James didn't blame him for that. She highlighted how much he stokes up everyone's fire in general, particularly those in Thorn cottage

[BBDodge]

Raph created the original divide but it's Isabelle and Savannah who are widening it, presumably some newbie tactic to cancel out the originals' advantage.