[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

That's just my point Mystic...perhaps people thought he was more sinister than others like you believe.
Raph played the game..he knows how to..he is a super fan. I found him sneaky and manipulative and that WAS his game.He probably isn't like that on the outside world...so his comments in his interview IMO were untrue.I don't think his loss was anything to do with not being on home territory...in that case why didn't Tom win with the whole of Wales voting for him.
Isabelle won because she was authentically humble..she didn't gossip or manipulate..she didn't play a victim or play 'the Outsider' role. It became clear at the end that she lacked confidence and self esteem but she never played on it.
Let's be honest a minority of people on here posted negative comments...it had no effect to the result...Isabelle was simply more liked.

Tom lost because for starters there are more English people than Welsh people that will be watching BB, and Tom didn't inherit any die hard BB fans support because he was a grass about Raph's VT. And of course being up Lotan's ass.

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tom lost because for starters there are more English people than Welsh people that will be watching BB, and Tom didn't inherit any die hard BB fans support because he was a grass about Raph's VT. And of course being up Lotan's ass.

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?

There's nothing sinister about Raph. He's a bit of a geek, but that's not a bad thing. I find him quirky and intelligent.

[Garfie]

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

[Paula D]

I don't even understand the OP. What's the premise? That only white English people vote for BB,

SO CONFUSED

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[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

He wasn't sinister...I merely used the word chosen by MysticMock...I found him manipulative and I felt he used people including his friends to make him look good.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I don't even understand the OP. What's the premise? That only white English people vote for BB,

SO CONFUSED

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I don't know, but i don't like it when people bring up someone's race. I don't get what that has to do with how good of a housemate you are. Very confusing thread.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And I honestly don't get what was so sinister about Raph that was any different from people like Kieran, Tom, Ellie, Sam, and Joe? Or hell most of them in there including Isabelle?

I didn't say he was sinister and I didn't say anyone said he was sinister...you used the word I just replied quoting your terminology.

[poppsywoppsy]

As I hadn't recognized a racial breakdown of the housemates at all but just went on how I perceived them during their time in the house, I am astounded that some will take this view at all.

It is an English TV programme but since when has this type of voting, in this type of programme been biased towards nationality.

If Tom had not been up Lotan and Keirons backsides so much, he might have been more likeable. If he had not been so foul to Isabelle he might have got more votes, but he was and he did, so he was lucky to get so far in my book.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

He was voted the most fun because he acts like a child all of the time. Most of the footage we saw of him drinking and partying were a little repetitive.

So no invite to the caravan then?...

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It was a dreadful year for cast members and it had nothing to do with where they came from, just their awful character. Isabelle and Raph were quite obviously the best of the bunch hence they finished top 2. Its not rocket science.

Can I get an AMEN?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Can I get an AMEN?

No

[BBUK-Fan]

Why does it matter where they are from?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

Why does it matter where they are from?

Exactly???

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Can I get another AMEN?

[BBUK-Fan]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Exactly???

They were all treated equally and fairly. We view them as housemates and not on where they are from.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

They were all treated equally and fairly. We view them as housemates and not on where they are from.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I do agree with the view that we didn't see a true portrayal of Tom, and I think that's largely as a consequence of producers choosing to focus on louder, more argumentative characters such as Chanelle, and on the showmance. I think that's a shame and believe that the four finalists indicate that audiences would prefer to see true civilian housemates in BB rather than those with agents.

Regarding Raph, I think he brought out extremes in posters on here- views were either intensely negative or intensely positive. The word 'sinister' to describe Raph is an example of this, and imo is an inappropriate and unfair way to describe him due to what the word implies. He certainly wasn't sinister.

I do not know Raph, either in person or from Tibb, but I think he deserved his second place and came across like a very decent and genuine guy in his interview. I base that judgement on Raph as a personality, rather than on his cultural heritage. I'm sure there are some people who choose not to support someone due to their culture, race, etc, as there are in any society, but I would like to think most people base their judgements on personality.

...and another one

[JayGreen]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

Why does it matter where they are from?

It doesn't...