[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There have been loads of these gangs and loads of court cases around the country and it does seem to be a problem specific to Muslims.Don't forget many get married at a very young age and also there's the power over women thing.Yes there are sick bastards of all race but this is a particular cultural problem of it's own.The fact they do it as gangs and have group consensus on such a sick thing says alot rather than just some lone pervert in his basement.

Even if this is true, does pointing it out do ANYTHING that helps or improves the situation.

That is what people need to start considering. Are they saying things because they are true and it's helpful to go there... or because they have truth in them and it makes them angry. Even if saying it actually makes the situation worse and leads to more victims, not fewer.

To repeat, again, why is everyone (of various opinions) so adamant in insisting that the right to anger / outrage / incredulity is of paramount importance, rather than actually having any interest in real solutions?

[reece(:]

It's scary that stuff like this is going on in my city

[StephenPullen]

Not Asian, I would rather say Muslim community. You don't have these kinds of sexual abuse problems in the vast majority of other Asian cultures.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by StephenPullen

Not Asian, I would rather say Muslim community. You don't have these kinds of sexual abuse problems in the vast majority of other Asian cultures.

How do you know?

[StephenPullen]

This type of thing doesn't happen in the Hindu community, nor the Sikh. There are no organized Buddhist sex gangs either. Only one common denominator.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by StephenPullen

This type of thing doesn't happen in the Hindu community, nor the Sikh. There are no organized Buddhist sex gangs either. Only one common denominator.

And in what way does focussing on this actually help?

Anyone?

No one has managed to answer this yet.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by StephenPullen

Not Asian, I would rather say Muslim community. You don't have these kinds of sexual abuse problems in the vast majority of other Asian cultures.

There was the indian bus raping gangs.

[Kazanne]

They said on the news it is mainly Pakistani Asian men.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They said on the news it is mainly Pakistani Asian men.

Only difference being the rest are from afgahnistan origin...rather than of pakistani origin.

[Beso]

I would say however that the vast majority of these abhorrent, violent and simply sick individuals would be doing it in the name of allah...hence the brandings of the M many girls endured....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My posts were related to the debate like I said read and digest

Not really. You responded to discussion on the use of "Muslim" to describe these men and the comparison to the Catholic priests with "Excuses being made" as though it was part of this discussion.

When questioned, it turned out to be from some debate you listened to where callers made some excuses. Not exactly immediately obvious or immediately relevant to the comments we were making here which were not excusing anything.

Am I supposed to know every time you reply to me that you could actually be referring to something you've watched or read without you indicating it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. You responded to discussion on the use of "Muslim" to describe these men and the comparison to the Catholic priests with "Excuses being made" as though it was part of this discussion.

When questioned, it turned out to be from some debate you listened to where callers made some excuses. Not exactly immediately obvious or immediately relevant to the comments we were making here which were not excusing anything.

Am I supposed to know every time you reply to me that you could actually be referring to something you've watched or read without you indicating it.

My posts are there to be seen, you jumped in without reading the thread, it's obvious

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My posts are there to be seen, you jumped in without reading the thread, it's obvious

No, you're responding to the opinions of people in this thread with comments on opinions of people from some show, without actually stating so. That's stupidity.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you're responding to the opinions of people in this thread with comments on opinions of people from some show, without actually stating so. That's stupidity.

I did state it twice, if you invest in the thread at least read the previous comments, it's not exactly a 21 pager, shame you jumped in unprepared, now that's stupidity

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I did state it twice, if you invest in the thread at least read the previous comments, it's not exactly a 21 pager, shame you jumped in unprepared, now that's stupidity

Yes, unprepared to have someone respond to MY opinion with "Excuses are being made...." but wait, 5 posts later that was aimed at some "callers" opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Alf]

Cherie, you should try taking negative about Christians and Jesus Christ, they'll all be on your side then.

Or talk negatively about the Royal Family and the Royalists, and they'll all be your best friend and join in with you.

But Islam is a no go. It's top of the league in the prejudice hierarchy (at the moment). It trumps every other.

Trump and his supporters are fair game for a bashing, try that one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Cherie, you should try taking negative about Christians and Jesus Christ, they'll all be on your side then.

Or talk negatively about the Royal Family and the Royalists, and they'll all be your best friend and join in with you.

But Islam is a no go. It's top of the league in the prejudice hierarchy (at the moment). It trumps every other.

Trump and his supporters are fair game for a bashing, try that one.

'Prejudice hierarchy' is correct - indeed the latest PC fad. To treat one religion as above criticism is madness and should never be condoned. I for one will never bow down to such PC nonsence. If something is worthy of criticism then it must be challenged.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Cherie, you should try taking negative about Christians and Jesus Christ, they'll all be on your side then.

Or talk negatively about the Royal Family and the Royalists, and they'll all be your best friend and join in with you.

But Islam is a no go. It's top of the league in the prejudice hierarchy (at the moment). It trumps every other.

Trump and his supporters are fair game for a bashing, try that one.

Is better Christian integration needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of the Royal family needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of Trump supporters needed for anything at all?

This is not about "defending Muslims" it's about seeking a solution to a problem. Do I have any particular desire to defend Islam? No, I think it's as bonkers as any other organised religion, and I'd rather live in a world where all people would give all of them up and exist without the fantasies.

But we don't live in that world, there are problems, there are subcultures, there are violent gangs that develop in those subcultures, and doggedly demanding the right to "SAY ANGRY STUFF ABOUT THAT!" despite the fact that it increases and feeds into segregation and therefore makes things WORSE not BETTER, is petty, and selfish, childish and stupid. What does it do? What possible use is it to anyone? It's just saying "well I think that thing is bad and I want to whinge about it and I don't care what the consequences are because it's my right to flap my gums".

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is better Christian integration needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of the Royal family needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of Trump supporters needed for anything at all?

This is not about "defending Muslims" it's about seeking a solution to a problem. Do I have any particular desire to defend Islam? No, I think it's as bonkers as any other organised religion, and I'd rather live in a world where all people would give all of them up and exist without the fantasies.

But we don't live in that world, there are problems, there are subcultures, there are violent gangs that develop in those subcultures, and doggedly demanding the right to "SAY ANGRY STUFF ABOUT THAT!" despite the fact that it increases and feeds into segregation and therefore makes things WORSE not BETTER, is petty, and selfish, childish and stupid. What does it do? What possible use is it to anyone? It's just saying "well I think that thing is bad and I want to whinge about it and I don't care what the consequences are because it's my right to flap my gums".

Everyone in SD is flapping their gums - no exceptions!

It's all about whether you flap to the right, left or centre. Flap away I say! What's the point of a debate forum otherwise!!!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is better Christian integration needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of the Royal family needed to reduce crime?

Is better integration of Trump supporters needed for anything at all?

This is not about "defending Muslims" it's about seeking a solution to a problem. Do I have any particular desire to defend Islam? No, I think it's as bonkers as any other organised religion, and I'd rather live in a world where all people would give all of them up and exist without the fantasies.

But we don't live in that world, there are problems, there are subcultures, there are violent gangs that develop in those subcultures, and doggedly demanding the right to "SAY ANGRY STUFF ABOUT THAT!" despite the fact that it increases and feeds into segregation and therefore makes things WORSE not BETTER, is petty, and selfish, childish and stupid. What does it do? What possible use is it to anyone? It's just saying "well I think that thing is bad and I want to whinge about it and I don't care what the consequences are because it's my right to flap my gums".

Are Christians and the royal family telling women what to wear and who to marry lately or not allowing them to be part of the same meeting as men. Perhaps her maj is into harming women over so called honour? We can't be reading the same news sources TS, yours must be entertaining.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are Christians and the royal family telling women what to wear and who to marry lately or not allowing them to be part of the same meeting as men. Perhaps her maj is into harming women over so called honour? We can't be reading the same news sources TS, yours must be entertaining.

You literally have zero comprehension of my point Jaxie. Genuinely, nothing you have said has any bearing on my point, other than straight up confirming it. It's frustrating, and boring.

[bots]

this issue is of people not being chased down and convicted for fear of outraging groups seen as currently discriminated against (rightly or wrongly).

Any criminal group should not be allowed to hide behind such protection. It's really that simple. Everything else is pandering to their excuses.