[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Labels are silly. Let's just say I no longer buy into the belief that the Allies in WW2 were all that better than the Nazis. The world ain't black and white. Never was.

Ummm

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Labels are silly. Let's just say I no longer buy into the belief that the Allies in WW2 were all that better than the Nazis. The world ain't black and white. Never was.

Eeeerrrrrrrrr. Whilst war is war and the "blood and bravery" images of WW2 are indeed "made pretty for public consumption", and many of the Allied forces no doubt committed terrible war crimes throughout a long and brutal war, to suggest that they weren't much better than the Nazis is a major, major stretch. Nazi ideology is abhorrent in ways that go far beyond the actual waging of war.

Were German soldiers much worse than Allied soldiers? Probably not; all were following orders and doing as they were expected to do, and many low-level German troops I'm sure absolutely hated what they were being asked to do, just as many Allied soldiers would have, and likewise many on both sides probably loved all of it.

But actual top-level Nazi brass pulling the strings? Actual genetic supremacists? About as close to "evil" as it comes in the real world.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Labels are silly. Let's just say I no longer buy into the belief that the Allies in WW2 were all that better than the Nazis. The world ain't black and white. Never was.

At what? chess?

[Greg!]

Freedom of speech can go too far. Having a nazi (or ISIS) flag flying should always be illegal

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Freedom of speech can go too far. Having a nazi (or ISIS) flag flying should always be illegal

When you start making some forms of expression illegal, it can lead your country down a dark path. Watch this video and tell me if you think this man deserved to be arrested.

Youtube video

I am glad that America has not gone down this pathway yet.

[Denver]

Shame you Americans dont feel Blacks are part of your culture

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would think that this perhaps has a tiny wee bit to do with a neighbour dispute?

[Northern Monkey]

Surely flying the flag of the enemy would be a crime against the country?Be it the Nazis or ISIS or whoever.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Surely flying the flag of the enemy would be a crime against the country?Be it the Nazis or ISIS or whoever.

You would think so

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Surely flying the flag of the enemy would be a crime against the country?Be it the Nazis or ISIS or whoever.

It definitely is an insult but I wouldn't call it a crime. Burning the American flag isn't a crime so flying another an enemy's flag shouldn't be a crime, I think.

[Withano]

I don't think your get-out-clause freedom of speech loophole makes America great at all lol. At some point, logic and common sense trumps (for lack of a better word) that.

[user104658]

On the thread topic, though, everyone has rights but there has to be a line and it has to be a sensible line. Do you think a non-white person living a few doors down from someone flying this flag feels safe?

People do have the right to express themselves and their beliefs but people also have the right to feel safe on their own street and in their own home. In cases like this, surely the latter trumps the former? Even if you believe that white supremacists "have the right to express themselves", attending rallies and soap-boxing and whatever - surely this shouldn't extend to intimidating people on suburban streets when they are just trying to get on with their day-to-day life?


I'll go back to my neighbours as an example, who like to throw parties every weekend and blast music until 4am. Do these scumbags have the right to party in their own home? To play the music they want to, when they want to, on their own property? Arguably, sure they do, I get that it's how they de-stress and have fun, and everyone is entitled to have fun and remove stress. HOWEVER - my autistic 5 year old daughter also has the right to be able to sleep peacefully in her own bed, so that she doesn't become exhausted and distressed. Me and the rest of my family have the right to get a good night's sleep before getting up for work at 7am on a Sunday morning.

And this is where there has to be a line; where something being legal doesn't mean it is acceptable or that it should be tolerated.

[Dominic]

I can agree that some countries are way too extra and make **** like misgendering illegal (which I'm not saying isn't rude/offensive, but it should be apologized for and moved on and not against the law). Buuuuut I don't think free speech should go that far to justify anti-semitism and sympathize with nazis.

[MTVN]

It's pretty concerning when the two examples of free speech that you mention taking pride in are holocaust denial and flying the swastika

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's pretty concerning when the two examples of free speech that you mention taking pride in are holocaust denial and flying the swastika

I have never voiced support for Nazism in any of my posts. I also take pride that we can burn the American flag if we want to.

[Kizzy]

Personally I can see this country hurtling towards nazi ideology, distancing ourselves from the rest of Europe, media manipulation, fear of experts and intellectuals, restriction of immigration, different rules for foreigners, one 'strong and stable' leader, demonisation of the poor and disabled, distrust and panic spread relating to Muslims.

The signs are there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Personally I can see this country hurtling towards nazi ideology, distancing ourselves from the rest of Europe, media manipulation, fear of experts and intellectuals, restriction of immigration, different rules for foreigners, one 'strong and stable' leader, demonisation of the poor and disabled, distrust and panic spread relating to Muslims.

The signs are there.

I think you may be over reacting a smidgeon

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think you may be over reacting a smidgeon

Was thinking exactly the same. Just scaremongering in my opinion.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Was thinking exactly the same. Just scaremongering in my opinion.

Yeah, we should ignore things like that and focus on what's REALLY scary, like muslims!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Was thinking exactly the same. Just scaremongering in my opinion.

You mean like you do about Muslims?

[user104658]

So holocaust denial, flying the swastika but you're also ok with burning the US flag? Well that makes it OK I guess... no pattern emerging at all here...

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So holocaust denial, flying the swastika but you're also ok with burning the US flag? Well that makes it OK I guess... no pattern emerging at all here...

The pattern is all of those things I have mentioned are unpopular opinions and expressions. The first amendment does not protect popular forms of speech because popular speech does not need protection. It is unpopular speech that needs protection.

[Kizzy]

I didn't ask anyone to agree, that is my view what you make of it is of no consequence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't ask anyone to agree, that is my view what you make of it is of no consequence.

"distrust and panic spread relating to Muslims."


Would you agree that the current spate of Muslim terror may have a hand in this?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"distrust and panic spread relating to Muslims."


Would you agree that the current spate of Muslim terror may have a hand in this?

So it's Muslim terror, not isis extremist terror? Thanks you're proving my point.