[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There might be something in more awareness for food banks, I hadn't heard of them until a few years ago.

I hadn't heard of them before the last few years either. So he may have a bit of point on increased awareness. I'm also dubious about claims of nurses having to use them. I've seen one sensationalised press claim regarding one nurse and there isn't anything otherwise to support that. He is also right that people are very kind to donate. I think we have a very good welfare system in this country and people make it out to be far worse than it is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I hadn't heard of them before the last few years either. So he may have a bit of point on increased awareness. I'm also dubious about claims of nurses having to use them. I've seen one sensationalised press claim regarding one nurse and there isn't anything otherwise to support that. He is also right that people are very kind to donate. I think we have a very good welfare system in this country and people make it out to be far worse than it is.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-man...ing-foodbanks/

The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) has reported “growing numbers of nursing staff using food banks, taking on additional jobs and accruing personal debt”. It told us that:

“We have a network of reps and RCN officers that stretches across the UK. They are in constant contact with members and this is what they report. This is not just one or two cases.”

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-man...ing-foodbanks/

Your link begins: In brief
Claim
Nurses have been using food banks.
Conclusion
Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use.

No solid evidence which is what I said.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Your link begins: In brief
Claim
Nurses have been using food banks.
Conclusion
Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use.

No solid evidence which is what I said.

You said you were dubious about nurses having to use them as you have only ever seen one sensationalized press claim of one nurse having to and said there was nothing otherwise to support this. There is other stuff to support this, was my point...coming from The Royal College of Nursing rather than just random press articles?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Your link begins: In brief
Claim
Nurses have been using food banks.
Conclusion
Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use.

No solid evidence which is what I said.

Here is the evidence...

A registered nurse in a London hospital will, on average, earn around £28,000 per year.
After tax and NI the take home pay is going to be around £22,000

If she/he is single and renting a one bed flat, the average rent will be between £1,000 and £1,500 pcm or £12,000 and £18,000 per year.

Then there are contract fees, rates, utility bills, travel expenses, clothing, sundries and food and she/he has to pay for all of that with the tiny amount of money left.

Single hospital professionals, at least in London, are known to use food banks.

Edited to add. I forgot to add student loan. From this year onwards a nursing student isn't eligible for a bursary and will now have to pay back a student loan. I just looked it up and a two-year course is £20k and that doesn't include living costs. A newly qualified nurse is going to have an average debt of £40k

[DemolitionRed]

Who really goes to food banks? This is an informative read.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Who really goes to food banks? This is an informative read.

Ill health is a very common feature. Almost two-thirds of users had a health condition, half of households using food banks included someone with a disability and a third had mental health problems.

This does not surprise me one bit. Obviously nothing at all to do with ATOS and their ilk repeatedly removing PIP/DLA (which is for both employed and unemployed disabled people) from so many people

Which yes, has been going on a long time as I believe it was Labour that originally contracted them. But they have got progressively worse with time ( I assume the bonuses they receive for saying people are fine went up or something), and fairly recently the government changed the goalposts even more so to speak, meaning that whilst people still have the same disability/symptoms they always did, it has simply been decided that they are not as ill anymore...which is causing the long term disabled a hell of a lot of stress and creating even more (usually successful) tribunals against obviously wrong decisions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Who really goes to food banks? This is an informative read.

does it state what they spend the money they do get on?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Claim

Nurses have been using food banks.


Conclusion

Media reports show that at least some individual nurses and trainees have visited food banks. We don’t have solid evidence of the scale of use


https://fullfact.org/economy/how-man...ing-foodbanks/

Or what the individual nurses spent their money they had on!

[Beso]

Dont doctors and nurses get discounted, if not free food at the hospitals they work at?

[user104658]

Claim
Poverty doesn't exist and isn't a problem, it's just lazy freeloaders.

Conclusion

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Claim
Poverty doesn't exist and isn't a problem, it's just lazy freeloaders.

Conclusion

Some people are good at 'Self blame strengthening'. Personally, I blame the government and their right wing allies for this fairly common working class attitude towards anyone less fortunate than themselves. Some people are just subservient to their masters.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Some people are good at 'Self blame strengthening'. Personally, I blame the government and their right wing allies for this fairly common working class attitude towards anyone less fortunate than themselves. Some people are just subservient to their masters.

I love when you make a point and then go on to ironically confirm it

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I love when you make a point and then go on to ironically confirm it

And I love it when you make sarcastic mediocre comments because it displays your thinking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And I love it when you make sarcastic mediocre comments because it displays your thinking.

yes it does when I reply to one of yours

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Some people are good at 'Self blame strengthening'. Personally, I blame the government and their right wing allies for this fairly common working class attitude towards anyone less fortunate than themselves. Some people are just subservient to their masters.

Only a 'working class attitude' - really! You appear to suggest that you would class yourself as at least 'middle class' and do not appear to have a very positive attitude towards those you consider 'working class'. And you accuse the Tories!!!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only a 'working class attitude' - really! You appear to suggest that you would class yourself as at least 'middle class' and do not appear to have a very positive attitude towards those you consider 'working class'. And you accuse the Tories!!!

Now now are you attempting to put words in mouths?...tsk

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only a 'working class attitude' - really! You appear to suggest that you would class yourself as at least 'middle class' and do not appear to have a very positive attitude towards those you consider 'working class'. And you accuse the Tories!!!

Do I now? I'm working class and proud of it. In fact I'm so working class I'm a trade unionist! I love working class people, I just don't like the aspiring working class who think of themselves as middle class just because they have a mortgage and a house with curb appeal.

In my opinion, anyone who's working class and looks down on the unfortunates among us whilst considering themselves middle-class are poseur. I also think that working class folk who vote Tory are subservient to a higher being and it aint God.

I'm sure my words will offend. Just in case they do, Ill say this, If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not believe in it at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Do I now? I'm working class and proud of it. In fact I'm so working class I'm a trade unionist! I love working class people, I just don't like the aspiring working class who think of themselves as middle class just because they have a mortgage and a house with curb appeal.

In my opinion, anyone who's working class and looks down on the unfortunates among us whilst considering themselves middle-class are poseur. I also think that working class folk who vote Tory are subservient to a higher being and it aint God.

I'm sure my words will offend. Just in case they do, Ill say this, If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not believe in it at all.

Well said! great post.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Some people are good at 'Self blame strengthening'. Personally, I blame the government and their right wing allies for this fairly common working class attitude towards anyone less fortunate than themselves. Some people are just subservient to their masters.

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary.

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks about those with a different view?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary.

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks to those with a different view?

My feeling is they are frustrated at the lack of empathy for those on low incomes, that in itself smacks of ridicule when someone living and working in the capital admits they are struggling to manage on what in other parts of the country would seem average.

A little forethought as to what rent, travel costs,utilities, council tax as well grocery shopping amounts to in the capital. Then perhaps reactionary knee jerk responses like that wouldn't be met with as much frustration?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My feeling is they are frustrated at the lack of empathy for those on low incomes, that in itself smacks of ridicule when someone living and working in the capital admits they are struggling to manage on what in other parts of the country would seem average.

A little forethought as to what rent, travel costs,utilities, council tax as well grocery shopping amounts to in the capital. Then perhaps reactionary knee jerk responses like that wouldn't be met with as much frustration?

How do you know I have no empathy for people on low income? All I actually said was I don't think 22k after tax is a poverty line salary and I'm a bit sceptical there is a huge queue of Nurses at the food bank. Anything else is fantasy.

How often do you job search? I've been doing a fair bit to help a couple of family members seeking work recently and I can tell you that 28k is a fairly generous salary when compared to what many jobs are offering.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary.

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks to those with a different view?

Laughs. I knew you'd be another person to twist my words and behave all offended!

What was it you just said to TS?

I didn't say any of that. Why is it that you feel it necessary to misrepresent people by projecting some bull you are making up onto them?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Laughs. I knew you'd be another person to twist my words and behave all offended!

What was it you just said to TS?

I'm not behaving offended I'm not twisting what you said. I'm calling what I see and wondering why this is becoming a trend. Is it champion of the people or champion of the peons when it suits?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Claim
Poverty doesn't exist and isn't a problem, it's just lazy freeloaders.

Conclusion

exaggerating a point till it bleeds and then reacting to your own exaggeration is hardly worthy of "serious debate"

this isnt twitter