[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

The job needed to go to someone though? Maybe he was the most qualified applicant? Men can learn about womens rights and laws etc too

You kinda plucked out something controversial that was said, and suggested he doesnt deserve his title cos of your views on what was said.. but you surely understand that just as many (probably more) agree with what he said and disagree with what the previous officer said? I dont think thats a valid reason to exclude him, what was said is controversial - nobody will please everybody on a topic like that.

If he has a job of womens officer, then he should be thinking of m2f women too - like thats just logical.

MtF is not a woman. A MtF is a transwoman. Large difference. And transwomen have their own issues, entirely separate from those of females. Given this person has already decided biology is irrelevant, he is clearly unfit to be anyone to represent female issues. Given you know, biology is the reason for female oppression and that.

Withano, I know you pride yourself on being liberal, but please read this, specifically directed at left wing men who think telling women that male people are also women is fine

https://medium.com/@GappyTales/dear-...t-f20fbf6272cf

Covers so many of the issues I see in this.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

MtF is not a woman. A MtF is a transwoman. Large difference. And transwomen have their own issues, entirely separate from those of females. Given this person has already decided biology is irrelevant, he is clearly unfit to be anyone to represent female issues.

But a transwomans officer isn't a job? Perhaps it should be, but until then....

Obviously when theyre discussing abortions, they wont be thinking about transwomen, but they also wont be thinking about infertile or celibate women either, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Not every woman will be directly relevant to every single aspect of the womens officers job description.. but thats okay. I think the idea is more that they will be covered somewhere, and there is a person who will work to think of them when and where they are concerned.

[Denver]

Best result

[Vicky.]

No surprise that men think this is fine. Sorry to stereotype but it is odd that it seems to be mainly men who see no issue with this.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not every woman will be directly relevant to every single aspect of the womens officers job description.. but thats okay.

But no aspects of this job are relevant to a male?

No every aspect will not be relevant to every woman. But they will understand it more, you know, being of the class of women. Not the class of...men.

[Vicky.]

I don't understand how to link the original tweet..my link is going to replies?

But it seems this guy has also put himself forward for the Jo Cox women in leadership program. thats meant to be about...increasing women in leadership roles. Not a surprise.

https://twitter.com/rachelherriotts/...96251237269506

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[Withano]

Oh wait, your title suggested it was an actual male who got the job? Its an m2f trans person?

I'll be honest, I'm more fine with it now than before now.

Like I just assumed it was a guy who was a bit of a feminist and studied up on the issues and laws. This makes way more sense

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/...sgender-males/

Also in prison, transwomen are massively over represented.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

Which leads me to conclude, that being a trans actually INCREASES the risk of sex offending. Rather than decreases, as is usually claimed by activists

It's probably more to do with opportunism than because they're trans, as your source points out opportunistic rapes happen more often in places with no sex segregation.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

More on the james obrien thing, and sex segregation being very much needed here

https://fairplayforwomen.com/james-obrien-topshop

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's probably more to do with opportunism than because they're trans, as your source points out opportunistic rapes happen more often in places with no sex segregation.

Yup maybe. Even more reason for keeping sex segregated areas sex segregated tbh. And for not putting male people into female prisons, where they would have even more oppurtunity as the females literaly cannot get away from them.

Either way, all evidence points to 'transwomen' retaining a male pattern of offense. At the least

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh wait, your title suggested it was an actual male who got the job? Its an m2f trans person?

I'll be honest, I'm more fine with it now than before now.

Like I just assumed it was a guy who was a bit of a feminist and studied up on the issues and laws. This makes way more sense

You were already fine with it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh wait, your title suggested it was an actual male who got the job? Its an m2f trans person?

I'll be honest, I'm more fine with it now than before now.

Like I just assumed it was a guy who was a bit of a feminist and studied up on the issues and laws. This makes way more sense

No offence but you're a man it's not men it effects so it's irrelevant if you're fine with it or not

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You were already fine with it

Yeh - but in a 'well fair enough' type way, they applied for the job and got it which implied they were the best for the role - even without the literal experience of living as a woman, just assumed they were gonna make up for that lack of exp with extra research and studying or something, but now, most of that changes.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No offence but you're a man it's not men it effects so it's irrelevant if you're fine with it or not

Should have been specified that they only wanted opinions from females in the OP then - I didn't know?

[MB.]

btw Vicky you might also want to decide whether you want to call transwomen transwomen, 'transwomen' in inverted commas, or men, as you've been switching between all three in this thread

[Vicky.]

I did not only want answers from females. But its impossible to ignore that the most vocal transactivists are male people. And that overwhelmingly its males who have no issue at all with the erasure of women. And thats what it is, lets be honest. For example, highest grossing trilogy by a female is currently the matrix brothers who have decided they are women, first woman on the frontline is male, jenner is woman of the year and so on. And its always transwomen (males) yelling about wanting to put themselves and their penis into female changing rooms, or wanting transfers to womens prisons. Transactivists are on the whole, angry males with entitlement issues, also narcisistsic and refusing to see any possible issues to opening female areas up to all males. Why is this? Maybe because, not being women, they do not care that men are (on the whole) a danger to women. And as such see no problem with men being mixed with women in vulnerable situations

Not having lived as an actual woman, you are not really qualified on womens issues. And no 'living as a woman' does not mean wearing makeup and dresses. It means being ****ing female. Its mysoginistic bull**** to say men are women just because they say they are and follow stereotypes.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MB.

btw Vicky you might also want to decide whether you want to call transwomen transwomen, 'transwomen' in inverted commas, or men, as you've been switching between all three in this thread

Transwomen are both transwomen and male. Didnt realise I had said men :S

I should really start using 'trans identified males' instead. Makes much more sense.

[Northern Monkey]

Bet nobody knew it was International mens day yesterday.

Female privilege

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Should have been specified that they only wanted opinions from females in the OP then - I didn't know?

I didn't start the thread

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I did not only want answers from females. But its impossible to ignore that the most vocal transactivists are male people. And that overwhelmingly its males who have no issue at all with the erasure of women. And thats what it is, lets be honest. For example, highest grossing trilogy by a female is currently the matrix brothers who have decided they are women, first woman on the frontline is male, jenner is woman of the year and so on. And its always transwomen (males) yelling about wanting to put themselves and their penis into female changing rooms, or wanting transfers to womens prisons. Transactivists are on the whole, angry males with entitlement issues, also narcisistsic and refusing to see any possible issues to opening female areas up to all males. Why is this? Maybe because, not being women, they do not care that men are (on the whole) a danger to women. And as such see no problem with men being mixed with women in vulnerable situations

Not having lived as an actual woman, you are not really qualified on womens issues. And no 'living as a woman' does not mean wearing makeup and dresses. It means being ****ing female. Its mysoginistic bull**** to say men are women just because they say they are and follow stereotypes.

I totally agreed with your post until the ‘men are on the whole a danger to women’.Most men are not.Some sick bastards are.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I did not only want answers from females. But its impossible to ignore that the most vocal transactivists are male people. And that overwhelmingly its males who have no issue at all with the erasure of women. And thats what it is, lets be honest. For example, highest grossing trilogy by a female is currently the matrix brothers who have decided they are women, first woman on the frontline is male, jenner is woman of the year and so on. And its always transwomen (males) yelling about wanting to put themselves and their penis into female changing rooms, or wanting transfers to womens prisons. Transactivists are on the whole, angry males with entitlement issues, also narcisistsic and refusing to see any possible issues to opening female areas up to all males. Why is this? Maybe because, not being women, they do not care that men are (on the whole) a danger to women. And as such see no problem with men being mixed with women in vulnerable situations

I'll be honest, this seems like a different issue entirely, has zero relevance to the OP surely?

Not having lived as an actual woman, you are not really qualified on womens issues. And no 'living as a woman' does not mean wearing makeup and dresses. It means being ****ing female. Its mysoginistic bull**** to say men are women just because they say they are and follow stereotypes.

And not to play teams, but honestly, I dont think many people think this way anymore. Seems super outdated. Not all trans people are stereotypes? I feel like you know that too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I totally agreed with your post until the ‘men are on the whole a danger to women’.Most men are not.Some sick bastards are.

On the whole. As in, as a class. Not each individual man I do believe there are many many more decent men than bad ones. But I cannot deny that men, on the whole, are a danger to women.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't start the thread

I knew that yeh... but if Vicky thought mens opinions on the topic were irrelevant (she didnt) then she should have said in the OP.. but she didn't.. so can I discuss this or?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'll be honest, this seems like a different issue entirely, has zero relevance to the OP surely?

Its an extension of the same issue. I may have gone off on a rant, but its true.

And not to play teams, but honestly, I dont think many people think this way anymore. Seems super outdated. Not all trans people are stereotypes? I feel like you know that too.

Think what way? That male and female are actually real things? And that each group has their own needs entirely seperate from the other group?

And yes, it is mostly about stereotypes with 'transgender' people.

Not transsexual people though, who actually have sex dysphoria. Who are not the ones insting that they ARE women.

Do you know how wide the 'trans umbrella' is now? Trans no longer means transsexual. No dysphoria is necessary, and its transphobic to suggest that it is. Or that trans is about 'born in the wrong body'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I knew that yeh... but if Vicky thought mens opinions on the topic were irrelevant (she didnt) then she should have said in the OP.. but she didn't.. so can I discuss this or?

You don't need my permission to discuss it, my opinion though was that as a man it won't effect you so you being fine with it is kind of irrelevant imo

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Withano

The job needed to go to someone though? Maybe they was the most qualified applicant? Men can learn about womens rights and laws etc too

You kinda plucked out something controversial that was said, and suggested they dont deserve their title cos of your views on what was said.. but you surely understand that just as many (probably more) agree with what they said and disagree with what the previous officer said? I dont think thats a valid reason to exclude them, what was said is controversial - nobody will please everybody on a topic like that.

If they have a job of womens officer, then they should be thinking of m2f women too - like thats just logical.

This tbh. Do we know anything about his competence in the role? Or is that not important?