[user104658]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

And why don't you think we get on with N.Irish people here?

Because the Tayto guy's jacket is a different colour.

As I understand it, that was the main cause of The Troubles.

[jaxie]

I have a good friend from NI who is very passionate about their identity as NI and not being Irish. I can't see a United Ireland any time soon.

Perhaps it's simply time for us to pick up our money bags and leave the EU. Pretty sure we can figure out the border as neighbours by leaving it alone as much as possible.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

How did she think that she would get the Unionists to agree to the deal she has made with the South

Now Sadiq Khan is calling for a special deal for London, you can't blame him for jumping on the bandwagon

I would also question why the DUP didn't consider the deal over the border which is in contradiction with many peoples' immigration concerns and votes for Brexit. Simply a gateway from Ireland to England.

[smudgie]

Perhaps Mrs May was trying her hand so to speak.
Surely NI, as part of the U.K. should be treat the same way with the same rights as anyone living anywhere else in the UK.
The problem is sorting the borders out, there must be some way to find an amicable solution that will suit all.
Other EU countries have borders with none EU countries, maybe take a good look at them and see what works.

Edit. what will happen with Spain and Gibralter, I know they only have a small border so the cost etc will be massively different, but the same rules should apply to all UK citizens surely.

[bots]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Perhaps Mrs May was trying her hand so to speak.
Surely NI, as part of the U.K. should be treat the same way with the same rights as anyone living anywhere else in the UK.
The problem is sorting the borders out, there must be some way to find an amicable solution that will suit all.
Other EU countries have borders with none EU countries, maybe take a good look at them and see what works.

Edit. what will happen with Spain and Gibralter, I know they only have a small border so the cost etc will be massively different, but the same rules should apply to all UK citizens surely.

gib will go back to the enforced border that it always had. I'm sure you remember how isolated it once was, getting food etc by sea and air.

If sides won't compromise and agree on a solution, you propose one for them. That's standard practice and that's what May has done. Agreement will come at some point, but I still maintain, as with Spain, old political motives rule their attitudes.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

gib will go back to the enforced border that it always had. I'm sure you remember how isolated it once was, getting food etc by sea and air.

If sides won't compromise and agree on a solution, you propose one for them. That's standard practice and that's what May has done. Agreement will come at some point, but I still maintain, as with Spain, old political motives rule their attitudes.

Yes. I can see all of that.
It has to be sorted, and you will always have winners and losers, or people that are happy with it and people that aren't.
Not easy.

[Northern Monkey]

The Tories need to get fully prepared for a no deal Brexit now.
It’s certainly quite a big sticking point with very few if any solutions.
We can’t stay in the Customs union as it will stop us making our own much needed trade deals.We can’t have a border on the Island or Ireland as it would be regressive to the peace process and we can’t have a border in the Irish sea segregating two parts of Britain.
I’m not clever enough to see a solution.
Even with a no deal though a special arrangement needs to be made for NI and Ireland.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The Tories need to get fully prepared for a no deal Brexit now.
It’s certainly quite a big sticking point with very few if any solutions.
We can’t stay in the Customs union as it will stop us making our own much needed trade deals.We can’t have a border on the Island or Ireland as it would be regressive to the peace process and we can’t have a border in the Irish sea segregating two parts of Britain.
I’m not clever enough to see a solution.

What a conundrum!

[Cherie]

Ireland holding the Brits to ransom, how times have changed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The Tories need to get fully prepared for a no deal Brexit now.
It’s certainly quite a big sticking point with very few if any solutions.
We can’t stay in the Customs union as it will stop us making our own much needed trade deals.We can’t have a border on the Island or Ireland as it would be regressive to the peace process and we can’t have a border in the Irish sea segregating two parts of Britain.
I’m not clever enough to see a solution.
Even with a no deal though a special arrangement needs to be made for NI and Ireland.

It's a terrible situation, things were going so well with with Britain, N.Ireland and Ireland as well the last few years. I really hope this gets sorted in a way to keep everyone happy but it's looking less and less likely now

[bots]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

It's a terrible situation, things were going so well with with Britain, N.Ireland and Ireland as well the last few years. I really hope this gets sorted in a way to keep everyone happy but it's looking less and less likely now

Its not really hard to resolve actually, what it actually requires is trust and a willingness to move forward and make it work. At the moment we are a long way from that position because there are too many agendas

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not really hard to resolve actually, what it actually requires is trust and a willingness to move forward and make it work. At the moment we are a long way from that position because there are too many agendas

Looks like you need a job in government BOTS with all due respect you have it totally wrong thinking the Irish government wants a United Ireland.

[bots]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Looks like you need a job in government BOTS with all due respect you have it totally wrong thinking the Irish government wants a United Ireland.

lol, thats just one facet, there are a load of others, and it doesn't really matter if they do or don't want it now, it has contributed to the whole shaping of the situation as we have it today. Rightly or wrongly, people are fearful of where things may go. Add the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU with their own agenda, and even Spain, with theirs and the whole thing gets messed up even further.

Like I said earlier, Brexit, has very little to do with it in reality, it's just a focal point for "winning" a battle.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ireland should be united, all pulling in one direction

make Belfast the capital with the parliament etc and move forward

Call it the United Northern Ireland

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Ireland should be united, all pulling in one direction

make Belfast the capital with the parliament etc and move forward

Call it the United Northern Ireland

Cork is going for Independence anyway #thepeoplesrepublicofCork

[arista]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Cork is going for Independence anyway #thepeoplesrepublicofCork

how nice

[Northern Monkey]

I know it was us who decided to leave but to me the EU need to stop being so stubborn and get onto the trade part of the negotiations.It is key to the Irish border issue.Like Bots said with willingness i’m sure some sort of bespoke special arrangement could be worked out(it will have to be) but it’s probably going to be complicated and it will definitely involve trade.
Beyond all the bluster the EU and individual countries in it dont want a no deal.It will hurt everyone.If the EU hurts it’s own member states with pig headedness the anti-EU sentiment within will rise.

[bots]

Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship.

Theresa May arrived in Brussels on Friday morning following overnight talks on the issue of the Irish border.

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship.

Theresa May arrived in Brussels on Friday morning following overnight talks on the issue of the Irish border.

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

That’s good.It seems all this noise of no deal might have worked.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

How are they going to control EU immigration if part of the UK has a soft border with an EU country? .

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

How are they going to control EU immigration if part of the UK has a soft border with an EU country? .

Exactly.Hoping they explain this throughout the day.

All those farming lorries that go between south and north will be rammed with illegals unless some kind of check can be done.
Hard border between Ireland and EU mainland?

Hard border in the Irish Sea?

Checks once already in the country?

[Cherie]

I think someone summed this up very well earlier, this is going to be a decade of turmoil with both remainers and leavers feeling betrayed and cheated

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Exactly.Hoping they explain this throughout the day.

All those farming lorries that go between south and north will be rammed with illegals unless some kind of check can be done.
Hard border between Ireland and EU mainland?

Hard border in the Irish Sea?

Checks once already in the country?

I know people have flagged this but (a) they have to get to Southern Ireland first and then (b) how do they get from NI to the mainland, I assume you still have to show your passport at airports and ferries?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I know people have flagged this but (a) they have to get to Southern Ireland first and then (b) how do they get from NI to the mainland, I assume you still have to show your passport at airports and ferries?

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

[Northern Monkey]

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.